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Compete with Taycan on Nurburgring?
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Swampgator
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larmor
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CarlK
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It's so easy for Tesla to tweak software to optimize performance on any road curse it probably will have a "Ring mode".
St Charles
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Lol, don't try to play the victim here. You own your comment's and i'll own mine.
Swampgator
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wager time? I win you send me some jester king beer. You win I'll send you some funky buddha
St Charles
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I'll wager. I'll bet the current Model S will not beat the Taycan lap time in production trim. That is to say, no changes to hardware allowed, except tires. Software modifications OK.
Swampgator
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St Charles
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Lol, lucky for you, the supercharger network extends all the way from Miami to Austin.
Hmm, I think that wager should extend to brakes, at very least pads. Not many people take their road pads on a circuit for any serious business. They are in the same category as tires IMHO. Discs are borderline, but I used to swap my front discs before track days to keep them bedded in and I used nicer (2 piece) discs on track. Tires, brakes, driver...everything else is secondary at best.
St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
If it was confirmed that the Taycan swapped brakes and pads for their Nurburgring time I would accept this as fair. I do not believe Porsche did so. As far as I can tell, the Taycan ran their 7:42 in production trim. For the purposes of this wager, Tesla needs to do the same.
Yes, I know Porsche OEM brakes are really good. That's the point I am driving towards here. Porsche built a car to perform on a track, Tesla did not.
People need to get over their opinions of what's "fair" and what's "cheating" when it comes to this sort of thing.
Manufacturers have been 'cheating' when it comes to press cars, review cars, and 'Ring lap times forever.
It's not a sport policed by a governing body, it's marketing.
Even when cars are competing in something like an FIA event, cheating goes on.
The only way to find out if one production car is faster than another is to buy one of each yourself and drive them both around your favorite track. You can't fully trust what a manufacturer or journalist says. Ever.
Manufacturers have been 'cheating' when it comes to press cars, review cars, and 'Ring lap times forever.
It's not a sport policed by a governing body, it's marketing.
Even when cars are competing in something like an FIA event, cheating goes on.
The only way to find out if one production car is faster than another is to buy one of each yourself and drive them both around your favorite track. You can't fully trust what a manufacturer or journalist says. Ever.
St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
I totally agree with you. It's not possible to prove or disprove a configuration in this situation as the public will never get access to these press cars. If The Model S gets a time better than 7:42 AND Elon tweets don't mention hardware modifications, I would concede the bet. I highly doubt this will happen.
I am soo confident that I agreed to buy a stranger a case of beer that I do not have easy access to should I lose.
My entire point here is that the Taycan was built to race on the Nurburgring by a company who specializes in building cars to race on the Nurburgring. Tesla does not. If the Model S does ever post a competitive time, it will be only a shell with a completely altered powertrain, cooling, and battery system. This isn't going to happen overnight. What I expect to happen is Tesla learns quite a lot about what the Model S is not capable of and goes back to engineering with some data and new performance goals. This benefits all of us.
Competition is good, tribalism is bad. See the Taycan for what it is; a Porsche. It does what Porsche's do. It is not nor was it designed to be a Tesla. People who thought it would be a 'Tesla killer' bought into automotive journalism hype and should have known better.
callmesam
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Breakfast crow anyone? 7:23 is faster than 7:42, right?
Tesla Model S beats Porsche Taycan's Nurburgring lap by ~20 secs: German auto mag
Tesla Model S beats Porsche Taycan's Nurburgring lap by ~20 secs: German auto mag
Swampgator
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Hardly. We were talking about the Raven. The future plaid model was not even considered. I want to see what Raven will do around that ring.
St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
Indeed. Props to Tesla for putting up something that is very impressive.
St Charles
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