Look I get it you don’t like me taking mean about Tesla. Expectations set by the media from googling “Tesla model 3 degradation”
We take pride in our 70 MPH highway EV range tests. Now, we can compare a Model 3 with 100,000 miles to earlier tests to learn how much range loss to expect.
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In one of the recent episodes, Bjørn Nyland had an opportunity to check the battery degradation of 2019 Tesla Model 3 Long Range.
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Is that the degradation is low after 100k miles. Oh wait I hear you say, that’s not FROM Tesla.
As you say yourself, not only are those not from Tesla, those are only single anecdotal examples (there are so many variables to degradation it's extremely hard to draw conclusions from just anecdotes), and from LRs at that. The SR+s have significantly less capacity so would be subject to more equivalent wear for the same amount of miles. The 2021 ratio is 353 mi / 263 miles so your 34162 miles is equivalent to 45852 miles in an LR. That's why the SR is only 100k warranty, while the LRs are 120k.
Fine here:
In the latest news released as part of its impact report, Tesla claims that its battery packs lose only about...
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May I remind you my vehicle has degraded 13.5% over 34k miles.
Oh wait you mean-hearted aschulz90 I hear you say. That article is for the nicer cars, not your plebeian SR+.
I have an 2021 SR+ just like you (as per my signature)! So I'm not looking down on your car if that is what you think I am saying.
Fine what about this:
“The data is only for Model S and Model X, which have been around for longer, but Tesla claims that the Model 3 battery packs are made to last 500,000 miles and the automaker aims for its next generation of batteries to last 1 million miles.”
My vehicle is no where near on track to meet that expectation.
Those are for S/X, which are warrantied even higher at 150k miles (earlier examples have unlimited mile warranty which they cancelled, which points to me they are not as confident about degradation as they initially thought when Model S/X launched). From the actual data in the article, you can see there are plenty of examples that did far worse than the average line. NCA in general is not a high cycle life chemistry (the LFPs will do better, as does the NCM supposedly in the 4680s).
When I looked up the impact report, I found this article, which pointed out the author's friend's Model X seeing similar degradation you are seeing (which in reality is equivalently worse once you figure in range and capacity):
"When new — 100D was supposed to go 305 miles on one charge and 30 thousand later I am only seeing 269 miles, which translates intp 12% capacity loss."
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The 500k claim has no numbers tied to it (what percentage degradation is it referring to or is it simply talking about operational?) and also tells you nothing about the initial degradation (what if pack for example drops to close to 66.25% in first 5 years / 60k miles like the initial Leaf warranty and then maintains that until it dies completely). As you see from the graphs in the articles you linked, the degradation function is asymptotic, so it slows down as the battery ages.
As for the 500k mile claim, as far as I can find, that claim is from Elon's tweet in 2019. There is no reference to what percentage it refers to, and like many of Elon's tweets, it can't be pinned down do any sort of hard number (unlike the warranty 70%), and many do not pan out (for example the supposed module replacement never happened; Model 3 packs can only replaced as a whole).
And fine, call me dumb. I accept it. I fell for it thinking Tesla engineers actually gave a *sugar* about the environment. Apparently not, they are just trying to make the next disposable product. You can defend these bozos all you want but if it’s truley the case after a second validation that this degradation is real I’m never recommending a Tesla again and I’m publicizing this garbage capacity retention as best I can. It’s been great interacting with you. Thanks.
I'm not calling you dumb if you got that impression. I'm just saying from my memory, Tesla never advertised in between degradation curve or in between numbers. So none of what you bring up can actually be used to for example have an SC look at and hold Tesla to a warranty replacement. All we know explicitly is they will warranty the battery to 70% for 8 years 100k miles. I'm not trying to stop you from publishing anything. As pointed out earlier elsewhere, plenty of people have posted about their own degradation results in a very long thread. Some are better, some or worse, but long story short, Tesla isn't going to do anything until it falls under 70%.
