Andyw2100
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Yes Tesla will/does supply the J1772 for free.
I was mistaken. Thanks for the correct information.
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Yes Tesla will/does supply the J1772 for free.
Yes, the Tesla owner can use the J1772. A J1772 EVSE by way of using an open industry standard for EV charging by default implies it welcomes all EVs (including Teslas) unless there is signage that says otherwise (including situations where it is clear it is employee parking and not for the general public) or some form of electronic/physical access control (like a membership card or account or physical key required).Question:
If Tesla is providing an HPWC for Tesla cars and a J1772 station for "all others" at these destination sites, can I as a Tesla owner connect to the J1772 station with my adapter if the HPWC is already in use by another Model S? To be honest, I've done this, but now I wonder if that is appropriate given the conversations here around Tesla's intent for these stations.
Thoughts?
If the signage is up to the quality of this pictured Destination Charging host, the question answers itself.Question:
If Tesla is providing an HPWC for Tesla cars and a J1772 station for "all others" at these destination sites, can I as a Tesla owner connect to the J1772 station with my adapter if the HPWC is already in use by another Model S? To be honest, I've done this, but now I wonder if that is appropriate given the conversations here around Tesla's intent for these stations.
Thoughts?
Yes Tesla will/does supply the J1772 for free.
In some locations (city, state, Fed properties) the installation of EVSE must be universal for all EV's so Tesla has been providing the J1772 EVSE as a way of installing the Wall Charger for the "Tesla Only" for a long time.
Based on the evidence I've seem posted here with official TMC email addresses, etc, it is real and better than you would anticipate.
Tesla will give away as many HPWC as the business is willing to install plus a universal J1772 charger for every 2 HPWC's installed.
Also, they receive $1500 to supplement the cost of installation per charger install so 2 Wall Chargers and a J1772 would be $4500.
I have stayed a number of hotels with Tesla Destination Chargers that had 2ea. HPWC and 1ea. J1772-L2 chargers.
I anticipate they participated in this program.
Tesla has a smart Business Model and they would not let something as small a J1772 universal Charger get in the way of expanding the Tesla Destination Charging Program, as it can be used by a Tesla owner if the 2 HPWC's are occupied and if not it is Good Will to other EV owners. Tesla stepping up where other EV manufactures fall short.
Yes, the Tesla owner can use the J1772...
I don't see how there is any doubt about this.
Even in this situation, no doubt came into my mind. Tesla is installing those J1772 as a goodwill gesture so other EVs can also have access to destination charging, but by installing two HPWC for every one J1772 they are still prioritizing Tesla owners. I see no reason why Tesla or the location owner would not allow a Tesla owner to charge at the J1772 if the other two HPWC are filled up. And there have been no "non-Tesla charging only" signs posted, while there have been "Tesla charging only" signs posted, so I have not seen an example yet where the policy can be interpreted this way.I was thinking along the lines that Tesla was providing the HPWC for Teslas and the J1772 for "other cars" that can't use the HPWC. So in the spirit of other cars not being allowed to use the HPWC (with an adapter) should Tesla owners be allowed use the J1772 station (with their adapter)? Not in generic situations... just these examples where a Tesla Destination program installs one of each. That's where the doubt came in my mind.
Tesla being meant for long range (70/85/90) are likely traveling when at these destination chargers. Your LEAF will be done in the middle of the night so you can drive around town the next day. As well you probably don't want that call in the middle of the night when you LEAF is done charging....the EV would have to relinquish his J1772 spot to the Tesla owner. Since Tesla paid for it. Hope this helps..
If everyone just hangs a placard with his phone number on the connector, everything works out. I always hang my placard when using a public charger.
What do you do if you're going "long range" and a fellow Tesla owner is parked there? That's a far more likely scenario and you're going to be just as inconvenienced. Why is your default scenario that of a Leaf owner blocking your access? My placard says "OK TO UNPLUG". So pull up next to me if possible and unplug me. Otherwise call me in the middle of the night and I'll move the car. Same procedure I follow on a J1772 hookup. People using public charging need to start putting their phone number on the car.Tesla being meant for long range (70/85/90) are likely traveling when at these destination chargers. Your LEAF will be done in the middle of the night so you can drive around town the next day. As well you probably don't want that call in the middle of the night when you LEAF is done charging. The terrorist remarks in light of recent events speak volumes about one and one's sensitivity.
This is correct with the proviso that each host location is separately negotiated. A location is not automatically given the option of accepting these donations or supplements to the cost of installation. It depends on whether the location qualifies and of course the judgement of the individual the Tesla negotiator as to whether a location warrants this sort of Tesla contribution. As was alluded to, some private email communications have become public information so we can learn what was offered to individual locations. However, there is no guarantee that these same Tesla contributions will be granted to just any location.
Larry
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What Tesla is Offering:
- Free Equipment:
o Tesla is happy to provide as many free Tesla Connectors (“charging stations”) as you would like to host. These are Tesla-specific stations and are the best, quickest way to charge Tesla vehicles at your property.
o We can also provide a universal connector for every two Tesla Connectors installed on site. While having the advantage of charging all electric vehicles,
Tesla does not make these stations and they are roughly 2x slower at charging our vehicles than the Tesla Connector.
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...the EV would have to relinquish his J1772 spot to the Tesla owner. Since Tesla paid for it. Hope this helps..
If everyone just hangs a placard with his phone number on the connector, everything works out. I always hang my placard when using a public charger.
What do you do if you're going "long range" and a fellow Tesla owner is parked there? That's a far more likely scenario and you're going to be just as inconvenienced. Why is your default scenario that of a Leaf owner blocking your access? My placard says "OK TO UNPLUG". So pull up next to me if possible and unplug me. Otherwise call me in the middle of the night and I'll move the car. Same procedure I follow on a J1772 hookup. People using public charging need to start putting their phone number on the car.
It would be pretty hard to interpret this an meaning anything but the HPWCs are exclusively intended for Teslas and the universal connectors are for everybody including Teslas. You also can't ignore the language elsewhere that says the program is "... for our mutual customers."
Well, it's not clear to me. If that is what they meant, why not say it in clear, concise language like "These HPWCs are for the exclusive use of our mutual customers who drive Tesla vehicles. The destination partner should ensure that only Tesla vehicles utilize these stations" or something like that. If you have to "interpret meaning" then there are going to be any number of interpretations.
Because, they are probably trying not to be Nazi dorks about it, but rather hope patrons will play nicely too.
It would be pretty hard to interpret this an meaning anything but the HPWCs are exclusively intended for Teslas and the universal connectors are for everybody including Teslas. You also can't ignore the language elsewhere that says the program is "... for our mutual customers."
That is not meaningful ($).Then maybe the people using an adapter on HPWCs and non-Tesla vehicles should purchase something from the Tesla Accessories page? They do have some nice shirts and jackets.
Well, it's not clear to me. If that is what they meant, why not say it in clear, concise language like "These HPWCs are for the exclusive use of our mutual customers who drive Tesla vehicles. The destination partner should ensure that only Tesla vehicles utilize these stations" or something like that. If you have to "interpret meaning" then there are going to be any number of interpretations.