Confirmed: New Model S/X (Raven) has new battery version
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Supposed to be, yes.
Not sure if there could be a couple older ones tied up in the system somewhere, but certainly 99% will be Ravens, with the expectation of all cars going forward being that way.
I really hope when the pack on my 2017 MS finally needs replacing , I can put an upgraded battery in the car. Any thoughts on feasibility for future pack replacements?
My crystal ball is cloudy.
Elon said that they wanted to offer pack upgrades "in a few years" a while back.
I don't think it'll happen until Tesla car production stops being limited by their pack production capability. How long that will take is an open question that's tied in to how quickly they can ramp cell and pack production, and what the limits to demand actually are at the price points they can hit.
From a technical feasibility standpoint, I think every S/X pack produced to date can be put into any S/X built to date, possibly with some minor adapters and in some cases power limits added.
ucmndd
Well-Known Member
At some point relatively soon (next year when the 2012s start rolling off of their 8 year warranties) they're gonna have to get serious about this in one form or another.
That said, I know there are some complications related to crash testing, etc. For a hot minute Tesla offered 100kwh battery upgrades to P90D purchasers - that involved doing crazy things like swapping out seats to maintain crash / DOT certification. If that remains the case from a regulatory perspective, it seems unlikely that there will be any official upgrade path for say a ~2016 era 75kwh battery to a 2019 100kwh battery.
Interesting that you chose those two in particular.
As it happens, I recently followed the official upgrade path from a 2016 75 pack to a 2019 100 pack. Since Elon made his special offer, it became a wickedly fast 100 pack, too. (And adaptive suspension, and AP3 with FSD.)
That path might be a little more expensive than the one you had in mind, though...
Krash
Data Technician
It doesn't according to Tesla. In fact they say that the pack wasn't changed. (Do we know for a fact that the E rev wasn't already in use?)
Tesla said the batteries were the same. From: EXCLUSIVE: 2019 Tesla Model S Review: From SF to LA on One Charge? - MotorTrend
I do think that the charge port, wiring up to the battery, and/or HV junction box was updated to allow the 200kW charge rate.
boonedocks
Active Member
Would wiring “up to” the battery require a battery revision?
I guess the true verdict on this one may have to wait on WK057 or the line to tear one apart
martinsfsu
Member
Revisions are usually backward compatible (like you said, likely minor). It’s highly likely if it was a new pack it would be a new part number. A good sign for a new battery would have been seeing the revision go down (with a new part number in front of it
). A revision is a clear sign of just a tweak or two.I feel like a bit of an idiot. I was reading about the "Raven" and didn't even know we had one. During the purchase process we had a good, but somewhat on the greener side rep, and the word never came up. To be fair our top two buying considerations were vehicle range (being able to reliably get over 300 miles on a charge) and the ability to road trip with our stuff and our two dogs.
Tesla has never used the term in any consumer facing communication.
The cars are officially just Model X and Model S like they were before, but since some folks found the internal codename its been a more convenient shorthand for the new cars instead of refresh X and S like the last refresh.
ahkahn
Active Member
Not quite true. I was in the Tesla gallery a couple weeks ago and the employees were using the term "Raven" quite a bit. They kept telling me "you need to check out the new Raven Models S and X".
I just a few hours ago tried out a new Long Range Raven S since I was there for a service appointment anyway. The car's name was "Raven". Honestly I didn't feel a whole lot of difference in the suspension, maybe a little less body roll? I toggled the switch back and fourth a few times and went on a windy road.
Interesting. I haven't read of that before. It certainly doesn't seem to be universal.
My guess is your gallery employees hang out on this forum sometimes and picked it up here.
ahkahn
Active Member
Yeah, I sat in one at the showroom, but did NOT want to take it for a test drive. I don't want to try chocolate if I'm happy with vanilla...
kkillebrew
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So, all MS built after May 2019 are Ravens?
Supposed to be, yes.
Not sure if there could be a couple older ones tied up in the system somewhere, but certainly 99% will be Ravens, with the expectation of all cars going forward being that way.
I am somewhat confused with the actual equipment in my 3/19 MS build. This is my first Tesla, the only one I have ever driven, so I have a limited reference point. I believe Tesla began installing certain "Raven" upgrades before the release of the Raven model.
My non-raven 3/19 2019 MS (FSD/HW3) routinely V2 supercharges at 145kw. Also, Tesla stated that HW3 installations would begin in April of 2019... not true obviously. In addition I have driven some 12K miles in the past few months and notice that my range calculations are always about 10% shy of what I actually get. This is so consistent that I consider it an error in calculation, though very quickly the range increases as I drive, and at times when i recalculate navigation it eliminates a supercharger stop along the way. Not sure what earlier MS watts per mile get but I see between 240 and 310 depending on AC use, terrain, etc.
I also saw a video on youtube showing a 3/19 manufactured MS (exactly the same car as mine) that was a repair loaner and being clocked from 3.5 to 3.7 sec. zero to 60. The car was PIN locked at 85mph so no quarter mile test was possible.
The latest firmware update 2019.32 offered all new features except
Whatever is in this car I love it. Not able to test it on a V3 supercharger yet... My hope is that future software upgrades will address the range calculation issues.
So, all MS built after May 2019 are Ravens?
Supposed to be, yes.
Not sure if there could be a couple older ones tied up in the system somewhere, but certainly 99% will be Ravens, with the expectation of all cars going forward being that way.
I am somewhat confused with the actual equipment in my 3/19 MS build. This is my first Tesla, the only one I have ever driven, so I have a limited reference point. I believe Tesla began installing certain "Raven" upgrades before the release of the Raven model.
My non-raven 3/19 2019 MS (FSD/HW3) routinely V2 supercharges at 145kw. Also, Tesla stated that HW3 installations would begin in April of 2019... not true obviously. In addition I have driven some 12K miles in the past few months and notice that my range calculations are always about 10% shy of what I actually get. This is so consistent that I consider it an error in calculation, though very quickly the range increases as I drive, and at times when i recalculate navigation it eliminates a supercharger stop along the way. Not sure what earlier MS watts per mile get but I see between 240 and 310 depending on AC use, terrain, etc.
I also saw a video on youtube showing a 3/19 manufactured MS (exactly the same car as mine) that was a repair loaner and being clocked from 3.5 to 3.7 sec. zero to 60. The car was PIN locked at 85mph so no quarter mile test was possible.
The latest firmware update 2019.32 offered all new features except
Whatever is in this car I love it. Not able to test it on a V3 supercharger yet... My hope is that future software upgrades will address the range calculation issues.
Dithermaster
Member
No evidence of this. Your car is not a Raven car. You can verify by checking your suspension settings screen.
A new "Revision" of a Part is not a New Battery (a new part). Revision's are typically backward compatible.
Meaning the new revision Part (number) can probably replace that part number in any vehicle it was used in.
Could be as basic as replacing a part that was obsoleted or cheaper.
Might be a change that is forward compatible with the new motor that has no impact on older vehicles using that new revision part.
Part revisions constantly change. It means absolutely nothing that the Revision changed.
Meaning the new revision Part (number) can probably replace that part number in any vehicle it was used in.
Could be as basic as replacing a part that was obsoleted or cheaper.
Might be a change that is forward compatible with the new motor that has no impact on older vehicles using that new revision part.
Part revisions constantly change. It means absolutely nothing that the Revision changed.
