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Considering solar panels, looking for sizing/financing advice

willow_hiller

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Can you try to cover 100% or 110%? Have the roof area to expand?

If my rough calculations are right, the Medium sized system will cover all of our South-facing roof surfaces and offset 90% of our usage. Depending on when Tesla gets back to me, we might have enough savings to upgrade to a Large system which would cover 125% of our usage, but it would have to extend onto the Northeast roof. So it's a 47% increase in installation cost for a 38% increase in production.

Not sure if Tesla is creating systems in between Medium and Large, but I'll update the thread with Tesla's design docs when they get back to me.
 

jjrandorin

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Nov 28, 2018
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If my rough calculations are right, the Medium sized system will cover all of our South-facing roof surfaces and offset 90% of our usage. Depending on when Tesla gets back to me, we might have enough savings to upgrade to a Large system which would cover 125% of our usage, but it would have to extend onto the Northeast roof. So it's a 47% increase in installation cost for a 38% increase in production.

Not sure if Tesla is creating systems in between Medium and Large, but I'll update the thread with Tesla's design docs when they get back to me.

My personal opinion is the same as @charlesj on this. Size it for at least 100% of your electricity usage, since people tend to start using more electricity when they get solar. The goal would be to be like 101% of your yearly usage, counting your model 3, AND any future plans for another EV in the home, etc.

When I got my system in 2015, solar city tried to size me for 80-85% ( i have a solar lease actually) and I said I wasnt signing anything until they could get me to 100% of my usage. In order to get SCE to agree to that usage, I had to tell them I was buying an EV within the next year / 12 months (thereby increasing my energy usage).

I signed the paperwork, because I planned to do that, but life happened, and I didnt buy the Model 3 until end of 2018. Because my system was sized at like 105% in 2015, prior to me making energy improvements like swapping all my lighting to LEDs, getting a more energy efficient fridge, Dishwasher, washer / dryer, etc etc, my solar production WITH my model 3 in the usage is roughly 99% of my yearly usage.

I drive my model 3 about 18k miles a year, so this is a fairly significant thing. I wish I had more solar, actually, but really cant fit any more panels on my roof.

I have (34) panels, that are like 260w or something. I would love to just put better panels and a larger inverter on my roof, because I see being a two ev household when my wifes X3 comes off lease in a year or so.
 

Zaxxon

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Go big, especially at these prices. Much better to maybe overproduce than to wish you had more, as expanding the system after the fact is generally a PITA.
 

willow_hiller

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Go big, especially at these prices. Much better to maybe overproduce than to wish you had more, as expanding the system after the fact is generally a PITA.

It definitely comes down to finances past a certain point.

My spouse doesn't want us to take out a solar loan, and my only other option would be selling ~10 shares of TSLA and buying them back with the tax credits around Feb 2021. At this point I feel like selling shares before battery day and buying them back in 8 months would be a steeper "interest rate" than a loan :eek:

To that point, I guess it would be useful to know when payment is due if paying in cash. $100 down, and I'm guessing the remainder is due once the installation is finished? Assuming the process takes a few months, selling TSLA in September and buying in February might not be too painful...
 

steve3

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@Zaxxon, I live in Denver (Platt Park), and am considering a small 4 kW system with today's new pricing and 340w panels. I'm retired, maybe another 6-10 years in this old (1927) bungalow which has a new roof, and this is the only year I can benefit with the tax incentive, so am deciding yay or nay at this time.

Historically, I've only averaged ~370 kW/month usage averaged out over the year, so my monthly Xcel electricity bill is really low at an average of $45. But I have just doubled the size of my waterfall/pond pump that runs 24/7, and have a Model Y and Cybertruck on order (will only buy one) and may add a mini-split a/c unit. Even with these additions, I'm looking at the small 4kW system, as I'll also have an estimated $3,500 cost to upgrade my electrical service from 125a to 200a and replace the 40 year-old breaker panel.

So, a couple considerations that I wonder about are: will today's solar system work with future V2G capabilities that appear to be in Tesla's future? and does adding a Powerwall make financial sense...and is one needed to participate in Tesla's energy distribution program (I forget what it's called) ?

Appreciate any helpful thoughts & suggestions that you've all learned from experience.
 

Zaxxon

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I wouldn't think that V2G would be impacted by your PV system, especially if you're not getting Powerwalls.

Regarding Powerwalls, unless your power goes out a lot more than mine, I don't think they'd make sense for you on a small PV system in Colorado. You won't have enough solar production to truly be self-powered, and our net metering means you basically have a free infinite battery with Xcel. The money that you could spend on a Powerwall would IMO be better spent on more panels. 4 kW is about enough to cover your present usage, but to also cover your future Tesla usage you might consider 8 kW.

Either way, good luck and welcome to the 'driving on sunshine' club!
 

charlesj

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@steve3 I have a 8 year old system almost your size at 3.8kW that has generated a little over 6mWh per year.
The local power company allows 110% of annual usage so I pushed for that, especially since panels age and production decreases in outyears.
 
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willow_hiller

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Had a lot of discussions with the wife today, and we decided to also consider a 12.24 kW Large system with a small bridge loan. Should cover 115% of our consumption, with some conservative estimates.

A Tesla Sales Advisor called us about solar last month and said it would be faster to contact him directly than placing an order through the site. Sent him an email on Friday, but the wait is killing me. I'm considering just placing an order through the website if he doesn't get back to us by the end of next week. I imagine they're probably pretty busy between the EoQ vehicle sales and this solar price drop.
 

willow_hiller

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That's what I'm talking about. Just place the order, using your referral link.

Do you know if the sales people make commission? I thought I would give him a fair shake since he went to the effort of giving us a call. But if it's all the same to him I could place the order this weekend and secure a spot in line.
 

Zaxxon

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Do you know if the sales people make commission? I thought I would give him a fair shake since he went to the effort of giving us a call. But if it's all the same to him I could place the order this weekend and secure a spot in line.

If it's like the cars, at least as of last year, if someone who has been helped by a particular sales associate places an order within a certain period of time from last interaction with that associate, credit is received.

I don't know whether that's still the case, but that's how it was explained to me by a vehicle sales advisor last year.
 
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steve3

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That's what I'm talking about. Just place the order, using your referral link.
That’s what I did last night, ordered 8kW system. The combination of 20% price drop and 10% output increase should trigger a tsunami of demand.

Today I measured the only south-facing roof plane on my “t” shaped roof and created a scaled model to play with panel arrangements around the skylight smack dab in the middle. If they require a 3’ “firemen’s access” lane at roof’s edge and below ridgeline, I’m seeing room for only 10 panels max, and it takes 12 panels just to make the smallest 4kW system. If those access lanes aren’t required, 12 panels would be a tight fit, but nice & neat...8 in a landscape orientation right of the skylight, and 4 in portrait on the left. I’ll wait & see what they come up with. 8kW seems impossible!
 

willow_hiller

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That’s what I did last night, ordered 8kW system. The combination of 20% price drop and 10% output increase should trigger a tsunami of demand.

You might be right about the tsunami. I was able to place my order, but now when I go to add the details in my Tesla account the page crashes :eek:

Even after a cache/cookie clear. Have you been able to get in to manage your order?

EDIT: Only way I've found to get into the Home Assessment is through a mobile phone.
 
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BrettS

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You might be right about the tsunami. I was able to place my order, but now when I go to add the details in my Tesla account the page crashes :eek:

Even after a cache/cookie clear. Have you been able to get in to manage your order?

EDIT: Only way I've found to get into the Home Assessment is through a mobile phone.

For what it’s worth, I can sign into my Tesla account and see my order status, but I did the home assessment a while ago. My system is actually scheduled to be installed tomorrow.

Also, it’s much easier to do the home assessment on a phone anyway, that way you can just take the pictures they want with your phone as you go through the assessment.
 
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BrettS

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It was very easy to complete on my phone! If you don't mind me asking, when did you place your order?

My order was placed on 5/13. They applied for the permit on 5/29. My city approved it on 6/2 and then Tesla scheduled the install for 6/22. I know that permit requirements and approval times can vary significantly from one jurisdiction to the next and the lead time for the install crew can also vary by location, so your timeline might look very different than mine.
 
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