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Some loss of braking force. When I had into the shop for the next tire rotation (do them every 3000 miles) I'll ask them to check out the brakes.> descending a big mountain, the brakes sometimes overheat [abasile]
This is interesting. You certainly are a candidate for a brake upgrade, if indeed one is available for MS. Do you sense overheating by smell or loss of braking force?
That sounds way more fun than this babble about regen. Except the stopping part.if you were able to descend from 21000' to sea level
As expected, my LEAF certainly allows more regen at lower SOCs, even when it's colder. Of course, the cold does limit it more. I'm not talking about really low battery temperatures, though, maybe 0 C / 32 F. Is this not similar to Tesla S behavior?SOC has very little to do with most of the limited REGEN discussed on this thread. Lithium Ion batteries suffer irreversible damage if charged below a certain temperature.
As expected, my LEAF certainly allows more regen at lower SOCs, even when it's colder. Of course, the cold does limit it more. I'm not talking about really low battery temperatures, though, maybe 0 C / 32 F. Is this not similar to Tesla S behavior?
How are you measuring your battery temperature?This is BATTERY temperature...
Once you get below 90% SOC, given a cold battery pack, does Tesla S regen improve if the SOC drops further, say, to 50%?My REGEN limiting observations are
~45F limited to ~75%
~32F limited to ~50%
~20F limited to ~25%
~15F NO REGEN
I've never seen a REGEN limit <90%SOC at temps >50F.
Electric heating elements are light and dirt cheap. I'm actually surprised Tesla didn't stick one in the coolant loop. Perhaps the batteries are already at the max delta temperature under normal driving.
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Hmmm, what about liquid cooling of the brake fluid? WhenThis has been proposed before on this forum. One of the issues is that the dump resistor would get very hot, and therefore would have to be physically large and have lots of cooling, which is kinda redundant to the friction brakes. Friction brakes have an advantage of being able to get a lot hotter than would be safe for a resistor.
They are not strong enough to 'eat' the regen power.Tesla does have electric battery heaters designed in to the Model S.
Tesla does have electric battery heaters designed in to the Model S.
...Some other companies note that they have some sort of shunt resistor to turn excess regen energy into heat when the batteries are full. It sounds like you decided not to go that route and simply cut back on regen when you dont need it... (?)
Wouldn't it be a better overall driving experience if the regen was consistent and you just threw away any extra energy recaptured when you didn't need it?
I would find it disconcerting if I usually got a little bit of slow down from lifting the throttle, but then halfway down a hill I started "rolling" more than usual...
Not big enough apparently. A 15-30Kw heating element inside the coolant loop would mean there would be simulated regen when the batteries are too cold - simply dumping the energy into the coolant, and the batteries would warm up _very_ quickly with that much heating.
Not big enough apparently. A 15-30Kw heating element inside the coolant loop would mean there would be simulated regen when the batteries are too cold - simply dumping the energy into the coolant, and the batteries would warm up _very_ quickly with that much heating.
None of the extravagent stuff with a load resistor is required. This is _common_ technology that is used across million of households, just needs some engineering work to make it work with Tesla power electronics and software.