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It's funny how they can give it a 103/100, put it on this list but still not recommend the car.
Tesla beats the finest cars the Germans can offer. Impressive.
Reliability numbers for the Model S have got to be very poor. Young company, still learning. The number of drive train failures is epic. So far they are doing right by their customers, but they have to get their quality under controland yet not be a recommended car based on the statistical evaluation of the reliability data that is based on the annual surveys returned by CR members.
Twice!
Reliability numbers for the Model S have got to be very poor. Young company, still learning. The number of drive train failures is epic. So far they are doing right by their customers, but they have to get their quality under control
MB S550 AWD | Model S P85D | |
Road Test Score | 96 | 100 |
Reliability (% worse than average) | 71 | 43 |
Owner Satisfaction (%) | 80 | 97 |
According to the only independent study that I'm aware of, one third of all 2012 Model S had their drive unit replaced at least once, and one quarter of all 2013 Model S.Let's not overdramatize. The reliability of Model S is below average. I would reserve wording such as "very poor", "epic" for markedly different situations.
Umm. What?This is just like the cultural bias issues with standardized tests. The Tesla is a different thing, with different goals, owners who make their assessments differently. The car doesn't fit the test criteria so it gets bad results. This is as much about the test/criteria as the car.
Wow! Not a single Japanese car! How they have fallen...
According to the only independent study that I'm aware of, one third of all 2012 Model S had their drive unit replaced at least once, and one quarter of all 2013 Model S.
Show me another car maker that has this kind of failure rate.
It's OK for us to love Tesla. It's not OK for us to be blind to the reality that not everything is perfect with Tesla.
Full disclosure: I had two drive unit replacements in the 18 months of owning my 2013 Model S 60 and one drive unit replacement so far in the almost 10 months of owning my 2015 Model S P85D.
During that time my Model S 60 was at the service center for unscheduled maintenance work 5 times, my Model S P85D 6 times.
According to the only independent study that I'm aware of, one third of all 2012 Model S had their drive unit replaced at least once, and one quarter of all 2013 Model S.
Show me another car maker that has this kind of failure rate.
Dirk, I believe you repeat the mistake of others in calling all drive unit replacements "failures." We have had two replacements to our Dec 2012 Signature with 107,000 kms total (and none to our Jan. 2015 P85D). I both cases, the drive unit was replaced by Tesla at their optiion, both "failed" units were only making slightly to moderately more noise than normal, and absolutely no detectable issue with performance or functionality. Neither replacement inconvenienced us at all and were handled during other routine service.
I fully agree that Tesla needs to fix this problem, but I also believe that it is far from an issue that is mortally serious to the company.
You both make a very good point. Tesla chose to replace those drive units. They don't get to have both, perfect customer satisfaction and perfect reliability score. But that's what you are saying they should be awarded.Tesla could replace much less drive units, have better "reliability score" and a bit lower customer satisfaction.
You continue to ignore that many completely fine drive units got replaced just because owner thought he had heard something that should not be heard.
From this POV, repeating the "failure rate" is bordering on FUD.
No ICE engine can live up to this "no-strange-noise" standard, including MB etc. Every and each ICE engine produces funny noises from time to time.
Just because service centers refuse to replace entire ICE engine in such cases, does not make them failure-free.
According to the only independent study that I'm aware of, one third of all 2012 Model S had their drive unit replaced at least once, and one quarter of all 2013 Model S.
Show me another car maker that has this kind of failure rate.
It's OK for us to love Tesla. It's not OK for us to be blind to the reality that not everything is perfect with Tesla.
Full disclosure: I had two drive unit replacements in the 18 months of owning my 2013 Model S 60 and one drive unit replacement so far in the almost 10 months of owning my 2015 Model S P85D.
During that time my Model S 60 was at the service center for unscheduled maintenance work 5 times, my Model S P85D 6 times.