UnbeknownstToAll
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I'm not totally familiar with the CR methodology. So, they lump Model S & X into the same roll up of score? Sounds like an idiotic thing to do.
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As a newbie I can understand why you don't want to accept the CR data. You somehow think it devalues your investment and you only want to hear positive news (pretty flowers and birds chirping). Rest assured that all of us here that disagree with you understand that the review was a snapshot of owners issues at that time and that much has been improved since. As best we can we are dealing with facts here not wild speculation or conspiracy theories.
The article you quoted says both positive and negative reviews can be bought, so I guess it's equally likely that current CR score is too high. We have no proof that any tampering happened, but if entertain the idea of tampering we need to consider both ways.You're right, and this is not conspiracy theory stuff at all. For instance, it's well documented that Amazon sellers can purchase positive or negative reviews e.g. Amazon sues 1,114 people offering fake product reviews and this is Amazon with deep pockets and whole departments that investigate product review fraud...and it still happens all the time. CR is tiny in comparison. There is nothing to stop me right now from enlisting Fiver to take out a few hundred subscriptions to CR and take the CR survey. And I'm just one person...not a deep pocketed highly motivated corporate operative.
Again, I'm not saying this happened nor early Teslas did or did not have some problems but these reviews/ratings warrant looking at with a critical eye.
I found the above comment on the Internet free of charge too.Like almost anything else you find on the internet the value of the info corresponds directly to what you've paid for it.
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you have one of those problematic early editions. my first one was 33797 and had many issues, my late '15 has not been back yet.
CR would never know - you sign up for the magazine or online account, when the surveys come out - you tell them you have a Tesla and it sucks - 100 replies - $25 each - a very cheap smear campaign. CR would never know you weren't a real Tesla owner.
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The new Consumer Reports gives the Model S a staggering low reliability rating of 44 out of 100. There is also a warning about self-driving, but I don't think that it relates to the low number 44,--all self driving cars have this warning.
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And regardless, I would happily do it again. Most of my visits were for superficial things and happened in the first year.
Conspiracy theorist? lol
I have no reason to doubt CR's rating. They work hard at these things. I don't know why people here try to discredit a publication like CR. Anyone who has been around since 2012 knows that early deliveries had a ton of problems. CR's rating is no surprise to me, but I don't take it personally or try to spin wild hypotheses about how their ratings system can be manipulated. That's just crazy talk.
Model S and Model X had a lot of problems, no two ways about it. It's not surprising, as these were the first sedan and crossover vehicles to be produced by this company. Using CR's own data, the Model S maintains an over 90% customer satisfaction rating. THAT is the only metric that matters, in my opinion.
yet you read and responded, how you use the contents is up to youI found the above comment on the Internet free of charge too.
Yet most people reading your posts come to the same conclusion I did. You just don't like being wrong. Oh well. We can stop now as I won't be seeing any more of your "theories". :shrug:
- No one reading my posts(unless they completely misinterpret) would conclude they contain "wild speculation" or "conspiracy theories"
It's a statistical summary of reported problems. If you don't like the results, I can only suggest you avoid data, and get all your critical analysis from this forum.
fwiw, I don't think anyone was looking to discredit CR, but rather point out that with Tesla, CR's general vulnerability to ballot stuffing (something they themselves acknowledge is a potential risk, and to their credit, say they have taken measures to respond to the risk) meets a company and product that has already been known to be attacked, both by entrenched interests (see the recent Bloomberg article on this) and industrious one-off crusaders (see the NHTSA suspension "issue" reports).
fwiw, I don't think anyone was looking to discredit CR, but rather point out that with Tesla, CR's general vulnerability to ballot stuffing (something they themselves acknowledge is a potential risk, and to their credit, say they have taken measures to respond to the risk) meets a company and product that has already been known to be attacked, both by entrenched interests (see the recent Bloomberg article on this) and industrious one-off crusaders (see the NHTSA suspension "issue" reports).
Is this the article you mentioned?
Elon Musk Is the Target of Anonymous Trolls and Phony Op-Eds
Good points made throughout.
fwiw, I don't think anyone was looking to discredit CR, but rather point out that with Tesla, CR's general vulnerability to ballot stuffing (something they themselves acknowledge is a potential risk, and to their credit, say they have taken measures to respond to the risk) meets a company and product that has already been known to be attacked, both by entrenched interests (see the recent Bloomberg article on this) and industrious one-off crusaders (see the NHTSA suspension "issue" reports).
Absolutely. It's easier and simpler to explain the ratings based on the facts we know first hand. Whether it's FUD against Tesla or FUD against CR the same principle applies.Understood, but I think Occam's razor probably applies here.