QED. Both people used a car. Therefore there were two fewer drivers and still, each person used a car on the road. No reduction in vehicular traffic.
...and FSD does not equal robo taxi.
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Consumers disdain for “Self Driving”
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QED. Both people used a car. Therefore there were two fewer drivers and still, each person used a car on the road. No reduction in vehicular traffic.
...and FSD does not equal robo taxi.
True. You never know how long your car may be in for repairs, but I think they are mostly exceptions for this car, and it’s still cheaper than all the costs associated with a second car.
If that works for you though.
That might work in a densely populated city but not for families with stuff to haul around. Taking junior’s football gear and dad’s baseball coaching stuff, and missy’s musical instruments is not a “uber” kinda thing. Especially when you NEED TO LEAVE NOW and you’re probably running late. If I have to wait 15 mins for an Uber, yeah that ain’t gonna work.
I like to drive, too. There are times, however, that FSD will be helpful. I also want to keep my mobility when I am too old to drive or if I become disabled. I think there will be a long transition as society becomes more accepting, pricing is more affordable, or government actually mandates autonomous vehicles because human drivers are too unpredictable.
+1 to this. So many seniors lose their independence due to age and inability to drive at the same level of skill as before, posing a greater safety hazard to others. I could see FSD mandated for people who can’t stop driving drunk either...so they don’t lose their jobs etc and make a bad situation worse. Or mandating it in heavy traffic congestion zones to smooth out traffic behavior...
But with the average car purchase price of ~ $35k (which we could argue is possibly more car than many should afford)...$8k+ is a very luxurious option/upgrade package. If it’s an “optional upgrade” it won’t be ubiquitous anytime soon. Cell phone penetration is almost there, and look how long THAT took...vs the price points we are talking about. If It is “mandated“ the volume of cars purchased will fall through the floor...an unacceptable outcome for the companies and their employees who will lose their jobs because people will buy fewer cars.
Its always the other driver that goes through a red light. No insurance, car does
not start. Here if you drive 20kmh over the speed limit DL is gone and I mean gone
for 3 months. Red light the same. People like to think the laws apply to others,
I have many orange lights in my past. I was T-boned by a guy running a stop sign,
maybe a good driver but I was lucky to live.
What is the question?
not start. Here if you drive 20kmh over the speed limit DL is gone and I mean gone
for 3 months. Red light the same. People like to think the laws apply to others,
I have many orange lights in my past. I was T-boned by a guy running a stop sign,
maybe a good driver but I was lucky to live.
What is the question?
DopeGhoti
Active Member
I'd propose:
Fare = ( n times kwH consumed ) plus ( m times distance travelled )
Adjust values of n and m to taste.
and probably lower if you are willing to watch advertisements during the ride. I can imagine an advertisement popping up each time you passed specific businesses.
I still have 2 Grandparents, one that can't drive, another that barely does. Really hoping FSD gets here sooner rather than later, the implications for their ability to visit friends, make doctors appointments, and just stay independent longer are huge. For the one that can't drive it was a huge hit to his independence and health, not to mention it put an added weight on my parents and self to drive him around and keep him active. I keep telling my Grandpa who hasn't driven in 10? years if he sticks around long enough for FSD we'll get him his own car...although we need to work on making sure he can actually get in and out of it too
Depends on your definition of traffic. That wouldn't reduce vehicle miles, in fact it would increase it. But if AVs can improve flow in busy areas, by avoiding stupid collisions, reducing parking-space hunting, and avoiding traffic waves, they could reduce congestion significantly.
To me the greatest potential value of AVs to reduce traffic is increasing shared commuting. Commuting periods are when there is the greatest traffic volume, so rideshare commuting is where you can have the great cost savings with the combination of shared vehicles and shared miles.
And they didn’t want 3D movies either!
Oh wait, bad example.
Hey, I have a large collection of 3D movies still, (that I guess I don’t watch any longer...)
Oh wait, also a bad example.
Assuming AVs at reasonable cost, there will be a lot of available services offering cheap rideshare.
You take your car or a cab to the doctor's appointment.
Alternatively, you can spend a craptonne of money on multiple vehicles and the space to park them.
UncertainTimes
Active Member
I bought like 10 curved TVsAnd they didn’t want 3D movies either!
Oh wait, bad example.
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