If you need a pick me up I suggest you watch this video of two small ones discussing the current events.
Babies chatting about the rona : funny
That's amusing. I think the kids must have been watching a Whitehouse press briefing.
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If you need a pick me up I suggest you watch this video of two small ones discussing the current events.
Babies chatting about the rona : funny
About the Asian immigrant i can report something interesting. As it happens in many parts of the world, chinese in particular tends to create closed and tight community. In the north of Italy in particular an entire manufacturing industry has been setup by chinese with exclusively chinese emploiees. A massive industrial departement for cloths and various fabric in the city and outskirt of PRATO, near Florence, north of Italy. Well, the chinese community put theirselves in self-quarantine and with their typical discipline got Zero positives!
Coronavirus, a Prato la comunità cinese è in autoquarantena e registra zero contagi - Open
Just to say how racism it's a silly thing. And in the first days of the story, any asian were treated very badly in public. Then people realized how was silly and stopped. I'm sure you'll see some similiar pattern.
And let me say one thing: China as a case of study is for me extremely unreliable for the censorship. Italy will be the first country with a western transparency for the matter. Don't make your evalutions and computations on China numbers. Take Italy for this.... and things are grim...
Yes, i think definetly we can take as example the other Asian countries.Can we not take, say, South Korea, or Taiwan, or other Asian countries as examples of good responses to the pandemic, if we don't want to trust Chinese data?
And if we don't want to trust the fact that WHO (who is operating in China) seems to believe that China has successfully fought off the disease, can we also not take the fact that when China tries to pull sneaky things that are visible from space - which "secret hospitals" and "secret mass graves for millions" would be - the west is always quick to expose it?
I find it weird to see how unwilling many people are to accept that you can fight off the disease via legally-enforced social distancing and hygiene measures, when we directly see it working in multiple countries.
3. The population learns and adopts smart behavior, and the materials needed such as masks are available.2 Things happen;
1) You reduce the rate of infection giving healthcare infrastructure a chance to catchup (flatten the curve)
2) You may reduce the number of infections to a low enough level that contact tracing and individual quarantine is effective. This appears to be the case in Wuhan now since they've gone 3 days with no new infections.
The idea is that incubation is no longer than 14 days, although for the vast majority of cases it is much shorterThat's a good point. 14 days is for quarantine assuming no infection. If you're sick I think you can be infectious for weeks so the lockdown probably needs to be as long as 2 months.
I do have a scientific background and there is nothing absolute in my comments.
You are the one who appears to have absolute certainty that we should allow this virus to spread without fighting it.
We didn’t always have the tools to counter virus outbreak. And very rarely has the negative potential been so clear that governments have been incentivised to do what they need to do.
But it is possible to eradicate when there is a huge financial incentive to do so.
Whether governments choose to here is far from clear and seems on the whole unlikely. In China they have done and the original Wuhan outbreak looks largely beatable. But it will be back in the long run if other governments, businesses and charities don’t follow China’s lead on a global scale.
About the Asian immigrant i can report something interesting. As it happens in many parts of the world, chinese in particular tends to create closed and tight community. In the north of Italy in particular an entire manufacturing industry has been setup by chinese with exclusively chinese emploiees. A massive industrial departement for cloths and various fabric in the city and outskirt of PRATO, near Florence, north of Italy. Well, the chinese community put theirselves in self-quarantine and with their typical discipline got Zero positives!
Coronavirus, a Prato la comunità cinese è in autoquarantena e registra zero contagi - Open
Just to say how racism it's a silly thing. And in the first days of the story, any asian were treated very badly in public. Then people realized how was silly and stopped. I'm sure you'll see some similiar pattern.
And let me say one thing: China as a case of study is for me extremely unreliable for the censorship. Italy will be the first country with a western transparency for the matter. Don't make your evalutions and computations on China numbers. Take Italy for this.... and things are grim...
How I would deal with CV-19
The current “flatten the curve” strategy is a result of medical advisors constraining their options with a bad economic assumption and then governments not realising their medical advice contains and economic fallacy.
Flatten the Curve essentially means maintain enough social distancing to balance the health service on the edge of collapse until a vaccine is rolled out in 6-12 months. Due to the intensive care rate and the infectiousness of this virus, it looks like keeping the curve beneath health service capacity requires extreme economic shutdowns of leisure, travel, retail sectors etc.
Flatten the curve is a flu policy and makes sense if the total cost of flattening is lower than than cost of killing the curve, but due to the cost of flattening in this case, killing the curve is far cheaper because it can be done in far shorter period of time.
We know from Wuhan and common sense that 6 weeks full lockdown excluding non essential work, together with N95 masks for all essential workers and for shoppers, will more or less eradicate the virus from your area. We also know from China ex Wuhan and Korea that a thorough: Test, Trace, Isolate policy can keep secondary cases to an insignificant number while allowing the economy to get back running.
But it is possible a more targeted strategy could allow shorter lockdowns. 2 weeks full lockdown excluding non essential work in-line with Wuhan/California/NY could be enough to buy time for a more targeted strategy.
After 2 weeks lockdown, households with no suspected cases should be tested. If clear they can go back to work (with N95 masks and improved hygiene policies). With tests again performed daily to catch longer incubation periods.
Households with suspected cases should be tested after 3-4 weeks to allow extra time to catch household chain infections. If clear, they too can go back to work.
After this, the country should only open easy borders to countries that have adopted a similar “kill the curve” policy. Most countries should do this before too long, but all borders can be opened in a year or so once everyone is vaccinated.
Adopting a 4-7 week "kill the curve" strategy should allow much more thorough support for industries to allow them to quickly re-hire and ramp back up afterwards. Currently the "flatten the curve" policy is open ended and governments need to maintain borrowing capacity and dry powder to allow them to support current measures for 6 months plus which means measures are not comprehensive enough to prevent long term economic damage. It is also much harder for debt and equity markets to have confidence to fund companies to avoid bankruptcy when these shutdown measures are open ended.
Progress in antibody testing:
New blood tests for antibodies could show true scale of coronavirus pandemic
Although I kind of worry about this. If you're in an area that managed to avoid a hospital overload (either through better control in the hospitals against nosocomial transmission, or through general restrictions on public activities, or even just population cooperation in regards to social distancing), and then people start finding out that they - and many of their friends and family members - already got the disease but didn't notice (Iceland/deCODE and Vò data shows that the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic or mild (50-75% no symptoms whatsoever), and would never get caught without random sampling or whole-population testing)... how are they going to react? How are they going to interpret all of this interruption to their lives and fear?
This is only because nobody has paid for them. This can all happen very quickly if funding is committed to it. China was performing over 300k tests per day over a month ago.The problem is the tests aren't there to test people after two weeks isolation and there is a massive shortage of masks to give people. The health professionals who are being exposed to this stuff are running critically short of masks and other basic medical supplies.
This plan relies on tests and supplies that don't exist. Once supply catches up with demand maybe something like this can be done. for right now the only thing to do is social distancing and treating everyone as if they are infected.
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You can make a point of china, but maybe take a look at your own president. He is lying, making stuff up and still sits there. and off course people like to post stuff like that, but the situation in the US is much worse. Trump is just lying, and he is not even attaced on that (yeah, in some opinion article in some newspaper. But nobody has the guts of shouting at him how f*cking stupig the guy is.Yes, i think definetly we can take as example the other Asian countries.
And i don't see where are questioned distancing and hygiene measures, basically the only effectives.
What i can't see is how to rely on numbers and ratios of a country that censors even internet communication.
I'm talking about THIS:
At least 5 people in China have disappeared, gotten arrested, or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus — here's what we know about them
Try to google china critics disappear
Yesterday I had contact with a friend who works in the Advent Helath hospital in Orlando. they do test, aprox. 3500 cases every day (!) this is first not reflected in the daily numbers. Secondly, the results of the test will come in the next TWO weeks. Yes, you read that correctly, TWO weeks. Some thest take an hour, we use test in NL that take maximum 24 hours. But two weeks is really bad, se I expect a hughe spike in cases and deaths in the US.This is only because nobody has paid for them. This can all happen very quickly if funding is committed to it. China was performing over 300k tests per day over a month ago.
Every country should be ordering as many tests and masks as possible from every domestic company with capacity and also from China. It is not difficult to have enough in 2 -3 weeks time.
They should have ordered these 2 months ago admittedly. The reason they didn't was due to extremely false economies. But now it should be clear tests and masks are far far cheaper than the shutdown measures they are implementing.
And a false sense of security due to the lull in cases due to travel restrictions. The US had a window of opportunity to get ready, and screwed it up.The reason they didn't was due to extremely false economies.
Heart disease currently kills about that many Americans a year (lower percentage with a larger population), but it's not an unusual death so people don't freak out about it.
Yeah, Florida to me is the ticking time bomb of this all. Slow to react, highly aged population, and a lot of people going to and coming from. It won't look good in a week, and probably pretty horrifying in two.