Coronavirus

[SMAlset]

Another update as more hospitals around the country report back on cases of the “mystery” illness linked to Covid-19 and children. It now has a name: Pediatric Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome. Three NY children have died from it. Parents who have felt their kids were safe from Covid need to be aware of it and watch for the symptoms. From Yahoo News:


“Hospitals have identified at least 73 cases of the newly-identified condition, called pediatric multisymptom inflammatory syndrome, among toddlers and elementary-school-age children in New York state.

Nationwide, nearly 100 children have been diagnosed with the condition. At least seven states besides New York — California, Delaware, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington — as well as Washington, D.C., have reported cases.”

Death toll grows to 3 for children in New York with COVID-19-related syndrome

 

[MP3Mike]

Investors thread has direct quotes stating May 18 was gonna be Tesla re-open date like the other auto manufacturers.

musk is a hubristic ignorant brat. destroying Tesla’s brand for no good reason except his own inability to understand the severity of the virus.

Actually it was sort of mixed, and sounded like they were still negotiating:

Scott Haggerty, the county supervisor for the district in Alameda County where Tesla’s Fremont plant is located, said on Saturday that he had been confident that county health officials and Tesla executives were close to an agreement on reopening the plant on May 18.

 

[azaz]

Actually it was sort of mixed, and sounded like they were still negotiating:

and then Musk started threatening them with a lawsuit.

you know I’m genuinely curious how many of the other Tesla execs involved in these negotiations thought Musk was helpful or not. The enormous risk Musk is taking if there is any sort of plant outbreak or just coming across as a bullying ornery billionaire factory owner and the brand damage from that is not worth roughly a week.

it’s more impulsive recklessness. Kinda like close all stores everything online and then reopen all stores not too long after. That stupidity was also cheerleaded here.

Frankly when it comes to the virus none of us should act like we are sure of anything. There’s just no reason besides hubris to open yourself up to so much potential backlash with a shock and awe bullying strategy.

 

[MP3Mike]

and then Musk started threatening them with a lawsuit.

you know I’m genuinely curious how many of the other Tesla execs involved in these negotiations thought Musk was helpful or not. The enormous risk Musk is taking if there is any sort of plant outbreak or just coming across as a bullying ornery billionaire factory owner and the brand damage from that is not worth roughly a week.

it’s more impulsive recklessness

Is something magic going to happen in a week to suddenly make it safe?

 

[TespaceX]

Another update as more hospitals around the country report back on cases of the “mystery” illness linked to Covid-19 and children. It now has a name: Pediatric Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome. Three NY children have died from it. Parents who have felt their kids were safe from Covid need to be aware of it and watch for the symptoms. From Yahoo News:


“Hospitals have identified at least 73 cases of the newly-identified condition, called pediatric multisymptom inflammatory syndrome, among toddlers and elementary-school-age children in New York state.

Nationwide, nearly 100 children have been diagnosed with the condition. At least seven states besides New York — California, Delaware, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington — as well as Washington, D.C., have reported cases.”

Death toll grows to 3 for children in New York with COVID-19-related syndrome

I am very interested how my local school district, and others in general, will proceed with the next academic year. (Even before this new disease symptom observed in New York.)

 

[SMAlset]

A bit more from the Yahoo News article mentioned above on the Pediatric Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome:

“Many, but not all, children with the condition have been diagnosed with the coronavirus. Doctors at a news conference with officials in Westchester County, New York, on Friday said some children don't develop symptoms until a month after exposure to the virus.

...New York health officials urged parents to seek immediate care if a child has:

• Prolonged fever (more than five days)
  
  
• Difficulty feeding (infants) or is too sick to drink fluids
  
  
• Severe abdominal pain, diarrhea or vomiting
  
  
• Change in skin color - becoming pale, patchy and/or blue
  
  
• Trouble breathing or is breathing very quickly
  
  
• Racing heart or chest pain
  
  
• Decreased amount of frequency in urine
  
  
• Lethargy, irritability or confusion”

 

[SMAlset]

Some virus updates, from ABC News:

CALIFORNIA:
As of Saturday, California has reported 2,049 more positive coronavirus cases bringing the state's total to 64,561.
The death toll has also increased Friday as 93 more people have died.
Almost 2,700 people have died from the coronavirus in California.

TEXAS:
Texas reported 1,251 new coronavirus cases on Saturday bringing the state's total to 37,860.
Of the over 37,000 cases, 16,680 are active, 1,735 are hospitalized and 20,141 recovered.
Texas' daily death toll is the second highest in a day since 50 died in one day on April 30. Total fatalities are 1,049, up 45 from Friday.
As Texas' stay-at-home orders are slowly lifting, residents have are hitting the beaches in Galveston, KTRK reported.

FLORIDA:
There have been more than 2,500 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Florida since Monday, when the state began to reopen, according to a count by ABC News. There were also 316 new deaths in that same time frame.
Florida now has reported 40,001 confirmed cases, with deaths reaching 1,715, the state's health department said.
Gov. Ron DeSantis allowed most counties in the state to reopen starting Monday, but three -- Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach -- had to wait.

 

[bhtooefr]

So, someone earlier in the roundtable thread mentioned that the county didn't have the supplies necessary to reopen, as if that somehow means that the county should reopen anyway.

...isn't that actually a reason to wait for those supplies to be in place before reopening?

And, when you have a disease that has asymptomatic spread for some, horrible death for others, and spreads far more rapidly and can be far worse than influenza?

In any case, the "reduce total number of cases" vs. "spread the cases out" debate not even being a debate (instead "spread the cases out" being accepted as default) is why in some circles I'm in, capitalism is seen as a death cult.

 

[renim]

Is something magic going to happen in a week to suddenly make it safe?

Repost, but in short yes, ventilation as technique to isolate people from the hazard springs to mind, https://www.cedengineering.com/userfiles/HVAC%20Design%20for%20Cleanroom%20Facilities.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjy_d6KmanpAhXvzzgGHUNHBPsQFjAWegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0SW9kOGOVv6B7XlCZq6Ab2

 

[MXLRplus]

Another update as more hospitals around the country report back on cases of the “mystery” illness linked to Covid-19 and children. It now has a name: Pediatric Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome. Three NY children have died from it. Parents who have felt their kids were safe from Covid need to be aware of it and watch for the symptoms. From Yahoo News:


“Hospitals have identified at least 73 cases of the newly-identified condition, called pediatric multisymptom inflammatory syndrome, among toddlers and elementary-school-age children in New York state.

Nationwide, nearly 100 children have been diagnosed with the condition. At least seven states besides New York — California, Delaware, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington — as well as Washington, D.C., have reported cases.”

Death toll grows to 3 for children in New York with COVID-19-related syndrome

From your article: "Many, but not all, children with the condition have been diagnosed with the coronavirus."

So if it's linked to C19, all cases of this new disease should involve C19. It might not even be a new disease. It's only one of hundreds of articles intended to cause panic.

Next it will be puppies or kittens, or will cause erectile dysfunction. Perhaps C19 will be tied into IRS Audits? That would REALLY wake people up, eh?

 

[EinSV]

rt.live shows Rt < 1 in many cases already significantly before the peak. It doesn't mean what one thinks it means: that cases are necessarily decreasing. I also suspect that its calculations over compensate, but that's difficult to tell.

EDIT 2: There are many examples, but take North Carolina, click on "show new cases".
Rt is shown as < 1 since April 8, but the number of hospitalizations has been increasing (almost) steadily since then, until beginning of May.

There are error bars around each of rt.live's estimates and cherry picking a couple examples does not invalidate their model.

Since this is a Tesla board, did you check California?

For California, the rt.live model appears to be doing much better than crude confirmed case numbers.

Confirmed cases continue to increase through the present, while deaths started trending downward around April 23, per the chart below. So looking at confirmed cases in California -- not surprisingly -- appears to be a very poor way of estimating the infection rate.

California coronavirus cases: Tracking the outbreak

In contrast, the rt.live model estimated that Rt dipped below 1 in California on about April 11, which correlates reasonably well with deaths starting to fall a few weeks later. Assuming deaths are a reasonable (lagging) indicator of the rate of infection in California, then rt.live's prediction was spot on.

All models have flaws, the goal is to find the model that is "least bad." Since we know that using confirmed cases overstates the rate of infection in periods when testing is increasing, the bar is pretty low to beat that.

 

[madodel]

Three of the country’s highest ranking health officials are self-quarantining after two White House aides tested positive for the novel coronavirus, raising questions about how the White House is responding to the challenge of maintaining a safe work environment for Trump, Pence and their staff.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/10/coronavirus-update-us/

 

[davepsilon]

From your article: "Many, but not all, children with the condition have been diagnosed with the coronavirus."

So if it's linked to C19, all cases of this new disease should involve C19. It might not even be a new disease. It's only one of hundreds of articles intended to cause panic.

Next it will be puppies or kittens, or will cause erectile dysfunction. Perhaps C19 will be tied into IRS Audits? That would REALLY wake people up, eh?

While it’s true that only a fraction test positive on a PCR test, the early info I’ve read is many, many more test positive on an antibody test. So the working theory is a delayed reaction to covid by 2-6 weeks - PCR would be mostly negative by then. Nobody knows why, one idea is a reaction to antibody production. Going to get streams of true, irrelevant, and false info if you try to follow this sort of hot take on a set of symptoms sure to arrouse fear.

 

[Doggydogworld]

In contrast, the rt.live model estimated that Rt dipped below 1 in California on about April 11, which correlates reasonably well with deaths starting to fall a few weeks later. Assuming deaths are a reasonable (lagging) indicator of the rate of infection in California, then rt.live's prediction was spot on.

You're taking this too far. A sudden decline in Rt can produce a temporary decline in deaths per day, even if the new value of Rt is still above 1.0.

Tesla is the last auto manufacturer in the US that is not allowed to operate. And they are located in an area with relatively few cases.

Tell us how Alameda achieved so few cases:

1. Happy coincidence?
2. Wise leadership by industry titan E.R. Musk?
3. Restrictions imposed by the fascist "“unelected & ignorant ‘interim Health Officer’"?

 

[MXLRplus]

You're taking this too far. A sudden decline in Rt can produce a temporary decline in deaths per day, even if the new value of Rt is still above 1.0.

Tell us how Alameda achieved so few cases:

1. Happy coincidence?
2. Wise leadership by industry titan E.R. Musk?
3. Restrictions imposed by the fascist "“unelected & ignorant ‘interim Health Officer’"?

California demographics. "The population of Fremont, CA is 57.3% Asian Alone, 21.3% White Alone, and 13.5% Hispanic or Latino. "
Yet C19 infections reported to healthcare professionals are 50% Hispanic and rising (CA gov't C19 tracking site). There has been no effort to help this sector since it doesn't affect the Bay Area much. It's also why LA is the hot spot with a 47% Hispanic pop.

 

[EinSV]

You're taking this too far. A sudden decline in Rt can produce a temporary decline in deaths per day, even if the new value of Rt is still above 1.0.

No source for that claim I see. Because it's wrong.

All things being equal, a sudden decline in Rt to a number that's still above 1.0 should result a few weeks later in the death rate changing from rapidly increasing to increasing at a slower rate -- NOT decreasing as has happened in California. This article has a decent summary. State’s ‘Rt’ is falling, but what does that mean? – Daily Democrat

In any case, that's not what happened. rt.live estimated Rt gradually falling below 1.0 and a few weeks later the death rate began to fall, just as predicted. In contrast, confirmed cases continued to rise due to increased testing, showing yet again that that's a lousy way to measure infection rate (which everyone knows).

 

[Mader Levap]

Meanwhile, US percentage of global deaths is 28.6% and growing. Here we are on May 9th doubling down on a strategy that's gotten us nowhere. We're at perhaps double the deaths we would have seen with a German-style response.

Wait, I thought it is as harmless as common flu?

Lord knows how many deaths we've manufactured with this lockdown and how many lives we've ruined.

Did I read it right? You blame lockdown for deaths? You are even nuttier than I thought. Do you also think germ theory of disease is false?

What is that? About 0.024% fatalities? Only has to climb 100x to hit the predictions.

0.024% of what? Entire US population or people that actually got sick? Either way feel free to lie more with statistics.

If Tesla employees were to catch and die from cv-19, what liabilities might the company face in a civil court, if the company is acting against the orders of the county government?

No worries, gov works hard on removing liability on companies from this kind of case. Just another step in direction of corporate fascism.

 

[dhanson865]

Bangalore Police guide to weekend activity

 

[bkp_duke]

From your article: "Many, but not all, children with the condition have been diagnosed with the coronavirus."

So if it's linked to C19, all cases of this new disease should involve C19. It might not even be a new disease. It's only one of hundreds of articles intended to cause panic.

Next it will be puppies or kittens, or will cause erectile dysfunction. Perhaps C19 will be tied into IRS Audits? That would REALLY wake people up, eh?

Sorry, but biology is not that binary. Because of the incredibly complex interactions with our genome and the environment, even in identical twin studies, you can see significant variability when those (genetically identical) individuals are exposed to the same pathogen, toxin, etc.

This is why symptom association, especially in children who's bodies are changing at a rate much faster than adults, takes time and a large number of cases.

 

[MXLRplus]

Wait, I thought it is as harmless as common flu?


Did I read it right? You blame lockdown for deaths? You are even nuttier than I thought. Do you also think germ theory of disease is false?


0.024% of what? Entire US population or people that actually got sick? Either way feel free to lie more with statistics.


No worries, gov works hard on removing liability on companies from this kind of case. Just another step in direction of corporate fascism.

Just to give you a head's up they have clues on sale at Walmart. You should pick up a dozen to get you through the week. You're welcome.

I love how you AGREE with stats, then I just put them into more relevant formats and then you disagree with the same fact. You must work for the gov't right?