Coronavirus

[Jeff N]

Almost every state seems to be improving including Michigan but now Oregon and Washington are seeing a surge.

COVID-19 surges in Oregon, sickening younger adults and forcing a return to restrictions

The coronavirus is making a comeback in Oregon, leading Gov. Kate Brown to reimpose restrictions on restaurants and bars.

www.latimes.com

 

[uujjj2]

They're doing a Ramadan vaccination drive at our mosque. Moderna

 

[uujjj2]

What I've read is that the 3 to 4 week interval between shots isn't actually the optimal for the maximum protection. It was picked because it was the shortest interval that gave a really high level of protection, in order to get the studies completed and shots in arms as quickly as possible. The actual, optimal interval is an unknown right now, but more likely to be several months rather than 3 weeks.

 

[TEG]

Doctor: The secret weapon for ending the pandemic | CNN

We need a hard right turn on the narrative about vaccines, writes Lucy McBride. People need incentives to take one. We must empower people with facts about vaccine efficacy and shift the media's bad news bias to one of evidence-based optimism about post-vaccination life.

www.cnn.com

 

[eevee-fan]

What I've read is that the 3 to 4 week interval between shots isn't actually the optimal for the maximum protection. It was picked because it was the shortest interval that gave a really high level of protection, in order to get the studies completed and shots in arms as quickly as possible. The actual, optimal interval is an unknown right now, but more likely to be several months rather than 3 weeks.

I continued on high caution for another 4 weeks after the 2nd shot.

Even now, I know it's not an ALL CLEAR, and am still taking some precautions. I used the self check-out at Sams without waiting for the official wipe-down, which I felt was minimal risk.

 

[Dave EV]

Almost every state seems to be improving including Michigan but now Oregon and Washington are seeing a surge.

COVID-19 surges in Oregon, sickening younger adults and forcing a return to restrictions

The coronavirus is making a comeback in Oregon, leading Gov. Kate Brown to reimpose restrictions on restaurants and bars.

www.latimes.com

Better act quick California - we need to lock down the northern border ASAP!

Seriously though - is the vaccination rate in Oregon / Washington lower than California? Anecdotally, I think everyone that I know that is eligible has received at least their first shot with quite a few being fully vaccinated for a while now...

Edit: According to official data, it looks like Oregon has about 40% of people with at least a single dose and 27% fully vaccinated, while California has 60% with a single dose and 40% fully vaccinated. So yeah, California is doing significantly better than Orgon.

COVID Vaccine Data

covid19.ca.gov

Tableau Public

public.tableau.com

 

[uujjj2]

Better act quick California - we need to lock down the northern border ASAP!

Seriously though - is the vaccination rate in Oregon / Washington lower than California? Anecdotally, I think everyone that I know that is eligible has received at least their first shot with quite a few being fully vaccinated for a while now...

Edit: According to official data, it looks like Oregon has about 40% of people with at least a single dose and 27% fully vaccinated, while California has 60% with a single dose and 40% fully vaccinated. So yeah, California is doing significantly better than Orgon.

Comparing apples and oranges. California is ahead of Oregon, for sure, but not by nearly that much. The California numbers you quote are among adults, while the Oregon numbers are among the total population. COVID Data Tracker

 

[BigNerd]

"Nudged" a co-worker to get the vax for him, his mom and his sister.

They were on the fence and the J&J news scared them. But since I had no side effects (except sore arm) from Pfizer 1 and 2, it eased his mind and he also signed up for Pfizer and they all got dose 1 yesterday.

My other co-worker is kind of anti-medicine (and of course he caught Covid earlier this year) and refuses to get vaccinated. He thinks that his bout with C19 gives him immunity and I tried to explain that it's unknown how long and how strong that immunity is but humans are humans.

For those of us who are on the vax side of this, it helps to talk to people you know about getting vaccinated because sometimes they feel better when they hear it from a friend.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Seriously though - is the vaccination rate in Oregon / Washington lower than California? Anecdotally, I think everyone that I know that is eligible has received at least their first shot with quite a few being fully vaccinated for a while now...

Edit: According to official data, it looks like Oregon has about 40% of people with at least a single dose and 27% fully vaccinated, while California has 60% with a single dose and 40% fully vaccinated. So yeah, California is doing significantly better

As pointed out it is ~49%/30% CA vs. ~44/30% OR.

However, Oregon has been pretty backwards about their vaccination strategy - though perhaps they have done better getting to vulnerable and higher exposure populations. Took forever to get my parents a vaccine though (not until March).

The most important thing acting against Oregon, and likely more significant, is that they have had very limited COVID, so immunity in the population is extremely low relative to California. Using a 3x multiplier, it’s ~13% in Oregon and ~28% in California. A huge difference and likely a big factor in the dynamics. (Requires Oregon to keep R0 below 1.75 vs. California at 2.4, to keep R below 1, if you count only fully vaccinated as immune and assume no overlap. Obviously some problems with that back of the envelope assumption, but if you run any numbers, it is getting close to unrealistic R0 for sustained spread in CA assuming effective vaccines, but much less so in Oregon - having nearly 50% more people vulnerable really matters for R0 values.)

Oregon’s case levels also remain quite low in absolute terms. (800 per day, 4.2 million population, and not yet to their prior low peak.) Hopefully the vaccinations continue and will be just in time.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

He thinks that his bout with C19 gives him immunity and I tried to explain that it's unknown how long and how strong that immunity is

Have him read the literature on B.1.531 and P.1, I guess. He should at least get one shot!

I wonder what proportion of the 8% mentioned above who did not return for their second shot knew via PCR that they had had previously been infected, and are just “following the science” by not getting their second shot (seems to be a quite sound strategy at this point). Saving doses!

 

[madodel]

Better act quick California - we need to lock down the northern border ASAP!

Seriously though - is the vaccination rate in Oregon / Washington lower than California? Anecdotally, I think everyone that I know that is eligible has received at least their first shot with quite a few being fully vaccinated for a while now...

Edit: According to official data, it looks like Oregon has about 40% of people with at least a single dose and 27% fully vaccinated, while California has 60% with a single dose and 40% fully vaccinated. So yeah, California is doing significantly better than Orgon.

COVID Vaccine Data

covid19.ca.gov

Tableau Public

public.tableau.com

Interesting. Sounds like Cali is doing better than most states, except for some of the small states with small populations. Yet they are going to recall Newsome.

 

[Jeff N]

Interesting. Sounds like Cali is doing better than most states, except for some of the small states with small populations. Yet they are going to recall Newsome.

The recall effort is political theater by an otherwise shriveled-up husk of a Republican Party when it comes to statewide elections. Newsome
is unlikely to be actually booted from office.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

He thinks that his bout with C19 gives him immunity

and are just “following the science” by not getting their second shot

Maybe you could try the approach of: “You will have super-natural protection from COVID.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1388636374459314178

The immune response to vaccination is so much more orderly than a natural immune response. Nice to top off a primed immune system (via natural infection) with a nice solid vaccine. Why bother getting infected twice?

 

[ReddyLeaf]

FYI, anybody want vaccines come to eastern WA. We’ve got 4000 open appointments next week in Kennewick. Apparently, folks here don’t think it’s necessary.

 

[eevee-fan]

Vegas has lots of openings daily. Wonder if you can use your HSA for a trip to Vegas to get vaccinated. LOL

 

[madodel]

Vegas has lots of openings daily. Wonder if you can use your HSA for a trip to Vegas to get vaccinated. LOL

Had my second dose of Moderna yesterday and the event was supposed to be just 2nd doses but because they had so few people show up for the first dose 4 weeks ago they opened it to everyone. It was steady with a small line. There were no appointments. Just first come first serve.

I feel achy all over so I suppose the 2nd dose is doing its thing.

 

[eevee-fan]

Had my second dose of Moderna yesterday and the event was supposed to be just 2nd doses but because they had so few people show up for the first dose 4 weeks ago they opened it to everyone. It was steady with a small line. There were no appointments. Just first come first serve.

I feel achy all over so I suppose the 2nd dose is doing its thing.

2nd shot got me staying in bed for a day and a half.

 

[madodel]

2nd shot got me staying in bed for a day and a half.

Yeah I had a 3 hour nap this afternoon. Feeling much better now. Drinking lots of fluids. Sorry I ate dinner though. But in the end it is worth it.

 

[cwerdna]

I really think it is the AZ and J&J clots. People don't understand statistics or medical research. We'll see if reading about the breakdown in India motivates people to get vaxxed.

Indeed.

CNN Poll: About a quarter of adults say they won't try to get a Covid-19 vaccine

With a majority of adult Americans now at least partially vaccinated against coronavirus, roughly a quarter of adults say they will not try to get the shot, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS. That vaccine-hesitant 26% is much more willing to return to regular activity, far less...

www.cnn.com

Republicans remain the group most likely to say that they will not try to get a vaccine. Almost half of Republicans, 44%, feel that way, compared with 28% of independents and 8% of Democrats. Within Republicans, resistance to vaccines is concentrated among the young. Among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents ages 50 and older, 66% have gotten a vaccine or are willing to get one, but among those younger than 50, 57% say they will not get a vaccine. There is also an education divide that cuts across party lines. Among those who have a four-year college degree, 18% say they will not seek out a vaccine, compared with 31% among those who do not have a college degree.

Perhaps surprisingly, the group that is unwilling to get a vaccine is the most comfortable with the idea of returning to their regular routine. Overall, 63% of all adults say they are comfortable returning to their routine today and another 4% say they already have. Among those who are not vaccinated and do not plan to get one, 87% say they’re comfortable or have already returned to their routines, compared with 63% among those who haven’t gotten vaccinated but plan to, and 58% among those who have received at least one dose of the vaccine.

That suggests those unwilling to be vaccinated do not see inoculation as necessary for them to return to life as it was pre-pandemic.

The part I bolded and italicized is disturbing.

I wish CNN had put up clips where they talked to some Republicans/Trump supporters who were unwilling to get vaccinated. One of them, of course blew it off saying he got COVID and was sick for "5 hours", so to him, it's not a big deal. The reporter tried to sell some of them on it being Trump's vaccines. Didn't help. The folks cited free-dumb.

 

[cwerdna]

The recall effort is political theater by an otherwise shriveled-up husk of a Republican Party when it comes to statewide elections. Newsome
is unlikely to be actually booted from office.

I agree that it's unlikely Newsom will be recalled and replaced. If things were going to hell in CA and there was a viable replacement, ok, then the chances of a recall are higher.