Michigan: hold my beer
Capacity of ~110,000 in attendance this past Saturday, and it wasn’t even against Mich St or Ohio St.
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Capacity of ~110,000 in attendance this past Saturday, and it wasn’t even against Mich St or Ohio St.
scottf200
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bkp_duke
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Come Hell or High Water - Herd Immunity . . . here we come.
my alma mater, class of 72.
i am numb. “apres moi, c’est deluge”
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Looks like we're likely not going to be too far off of Trevor's prediction. Note that he has an addendum stating the obvious likelihood that we'll probably see a decline in cases, then another winter wave of some magnitude relatively soon thereafter. With the amount of virus circulating, I'd think the winter wave would start a bit sooner than it did last year.
I previously doubted that we would hit these infection numbers - figured vaccination would continue faster than it did, delta would not be as infectious as it is, etc. I can't remember what I thought exactly, but I think I figured we'd hit about half the number it looks like we're headed to (30 million+ infections).
How many more infections we'll get in the winter wave is dependent on the Rt. His original premise: was that 29% of the susceptible population would get infected with Rt of 1.2 or so. So when this wave completes, there will still be 70% of the susceptible population out there (maybe a lower number now since vaccination has continued), so there's a substantial population of about 80-90 million susceptible out there still (70% of 35%). Of course, Rt would have to be very high to find them all.
But seems like we'd likely have enough "dry kindling" out there to support a wave similar in magnitude to the current one. What the age distribution would be is less clear (which is important of course).
And of course we have waning immunity as well, of indeterminate effect - better get those boosters going soon. Not sure what all the drama is around those - definitely go get your booster! (Currently technically only for the immunocompromised, but in any case probably worth securing an appointment a week or two after September 20th to make sure there's not a crush of people.)
We've got a long way to go if we don't get people their first vaccinations. Hope Biden has a plan - he's in danger of having as many people die on his watch as did on Trump's (need to get to around 880k, so we're about 200-230k off, which seems attainable - barely); quite a dubious achievement given the availability of vaccines. It's really unconscionable that the administration is just sitting around blaming the unvaccinated for falling for misinformation and nonsense. Make 'em get vaccinated, and educate those that are making uninformed decisions (there are many of them). And of course vaccine mandates are great (note that mandates do NOT mean that you must get vaccinated - that's not what it means). Don't just tell them to get vaccinated - that's obviously not working, they've been trying that for 6 months. Crack down on misinformation, etc. There are lots of levers now. Gotta try them all.
I previously doubted that we would hit these infection numbers - figured vaccination would continue faster than it did, delta would not be as infectious as it is, etc. I can't remember what I thought exactly, but I think I figured we'd hit about half the number it looks like we're headed to (30 million+ infections).
How many more infections we'll get in the winter wave is dependent on the Rt. His original premise: was that 29% of the susceptible population would get infected with Rt of 1.2 or so. So when this wave completes, there will still be 70% of the susceptible population out there (maybe a lower number now since vaccination has continued), so there's a substantial population of about 80-90 million susceptible out there still (70% of 35%). Of course, Rt would have to be very high to find them all.
But seems like we'd likely have enough "dry kindling" out there to support a wave similar in magnitude to the current one. What the age distribution would be is less clear (which is important of course).
And of course we have waning immunity as well, of indeterminate effect - better get those boosters going soon. Not sure what all the drama is around those - definitely go get your booster! (Currently technically only for the immunocompromised, but in any case probably worth securing an appointment a week or two after September 20th to make sure there's not a crush of people.)
We've got a long way to go if we don't get people their first vaccinations. Hope Biden has a plan - he's in danger of having as many people die on his watch as did on Trump's (need to get to around 880k, so we're about 200-230k off, which seems attainable - barely); quite a dubious achievement given the availability of vaccines. It's really unconscionable that the administration is just sitting around blaming the unvaccinated for falling for misinformation and nonsense. Make 'em get vaccinated, and educate those that are making uninformed decisions (there are many of them). And of course vaccine mandates are great (note that mandates do NOT mean that you must get vaccinated - that's not what it means). Don't just tell them to get vaccinated - that's obviously not working, they've been trying that for 6 months. Crack down on misinformation, etc. There are lots of levers now. Gotta try them all.
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Ivermectin | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Review clinical data on the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.
www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov
OK, finally rescinded.
Judge says Ohio hospital cannot be forced to give ivermectin, reversing earlier decision
"Public policy should not and does not support allowing physicians to try 'any' type of treatment on human beings," the judge wrote.
www.nbcnews.com
EVNow
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Easier said than done. Combating misinformation (which has political backing) is the hardest thing to do.
Afterall misinformation is how Biden won against Bernie.
EVNow
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Your answer is right there in your question.Why does this moron w/blood on hands still continue to get airtime?
Doctor reacts to Fox News host defending fake vaccine cards | CNN Business
Dr. William Schaffner reacts to Fox News' Tucker Carlson defending the use of fake Covid-19 vaccination cards.www.cnn.com
It's part of human nature that people learn from other people. It's one of the advantages humans have that we the ability to learn from others and we don't have to start from scratch to learn everything.
We tend to trust information from people who we respect and trust and distrust information from those who we deem as not credible. If we have a good "picker" and deem Anthony Fauci a better expert on infectious disease than some random guy on Twitter or Fox News, we probably have good discernment. But not all people have good discernment.
Additionally conservative media has been working for 30 years to create a cult. In most cases they didn't intend to create a cult, but by the time Donald Trump came along in 2015, they were primed to follow a cult leader. Over the last 5 years the process of turning into a cult became complete.
One of the key things cult leaders do it tell their followers that only the leaders know and speak the truth. They become the only trusted source of information for the cult members. It's incredibly difficult for anyone who is an outsider to convince a cult member of anything. Sometimes ex-cult members can achieve this, but it usually takes a lot of time one on one with the member.
Many cults are very aggressive about making sure anyone who leaves the cult is actively shunned. They can't have the ex-members convincing the current members that the cult is based on bunk.
Biden has zero chance of convincing anyone in the cult of anything. The only person who can convince these people are cult leaders. Though since Trump left office the leadership of the cult has fractured. Even Trump got booed at one of his tallies for trying to change the minds of the cult members.
The cult members have been so primed to only believe the ridiculous and not believe anything rational. As a result if a cult leader says something rational, it's discounted and the only things believed are the least probable things. So vaccines are questionable, the top health experts are not to be believed, but quacks selling horse dewormer and malaria medicine are the trusted experts.
The only way we're going to get out of this is deprogram the cult and that's never been done on such a massive scale before. I don't know if it's possible.
The US has always had a nutty fringe. A by product of taking on all the oddballs Europe didn't want. For most of US history they tended to spawn religions that were out of the mainstream and sometimes dangerous (like Jonestown or the Branch Divadians), but mostly they have been out on the fringes. They have now moved to the center of one of the US's political parties and infected a lot of people in that party with their nutty memes.
I agree more with this.
It’s not really misinformation, which is dissemination of incorrect information—regardless of intent.
Changing someone’s preconceived bias is a really hard thing to do. The average person is less perceptive and more apt to listen to whomever their preconceived bias aligns with. Whether the information being spread is factually true or not has little bearing.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
He’s the President. He and his administration need to pull out all the stops (rapid testing, vaccination drives, educating about paid time off for vaccination, encouraging & incentivizing vaccine mandates, improving N95 supply, etc.). Have to do everything. Having a zero COVID goal would help, even if that is not the actual end goal. Just letting the status quo play out is just weak…
People have really good ideas and it’s ok to try a bunch of competing strategies.
Ivermectin usage looks like a “self-limiting” problem….
Yeah I know that. The question really is how many cult members there are. I suspect the actual number who are true believers is not that high relative to the number still unvaccinated. There is a huge proportion of people who don’t really have an axe to grind on the political side but don’t trust the vaccine or have latched onto some piece of misinformation (graphene! Sterility! Miscarriage!) and thus are endangering themselves.
Those are the people who need to be reached, urgently, and cajoled into getting vaccinated (through mandates, education, etc.).
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FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
It's not looking good for Fauci based on the latest information and documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.
news.yahoo.com
"Newly released documents appear to contradict Dr. Anthony Fauci’s repeated claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit that used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.
The proposal requests $3.1 million for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of lab workers for novel bat coronaviruses. The grant was awarded for five years, from 2014 to 2019, and was subsequently renewed before being suspended by the Trump administration. The proposal directs $599,000 of the total grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research designed to make the viruses more dangerous and/or infectious — and its author acknowledged the danger associated with such work."
Internal Documents Further Contradict Fauci’s ‘Gain-of-Function’ Research Denials
New documents appear to contradict Anthony Fauci's claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
"Newly released documents appear to contradict Dr. Anthony Fauci’s repeated claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit that used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.
The proposal requests $3.1 million for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of lab workers for novel bat coronaviruses. The grant was awarded for five years, from 2014 to 2019, and was subsequently renewed before being suspended by the Trump administration. The proposal directs $599,000 of the total grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research designed to make the viruses more dangerous and/or infectious — and its author acknowledged the danger associated with such work."
Is stupidity inherited or learned?
Tens of thousands of college students chant ‘F*ck Joe Biden’ at four different NCAA Football games
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Here is the latest graphic on the spread of new cases from the COVID-19 Data in Motion - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
The vaccination message is getting through to those outside of the right. Vaccination rates in the hardest hit states are all up.
There is a big overlap between the cult and one of those home grown US religious movements: Evangelical Christianity. My partner has been reading what Evangelicals are saying about COVID. It's not all of course, but there seems to be some degree of agreement between many.
They believe that COVID was prophesized in Revelations and that it's all playing out. They also are telling one another that getting the vaccine is trying to derail the prophecy for the end of the world. Anyone trying to stop COVID is doing wrong by their beliefs.
As I said a few days ago: it's a suicide cult.
Chinese exile Guo Wengui uses misinformation network to push unproven drugs to treat Covid
Wealthy Chinese exile Guo Wengui is using his online misinformation network to promote the use of unproven treatments for Covid.
www.cnbc.com
I never followed this Guo guy much but I'd heard of this odd character even before Who is the Chinese mogul who owns the boat Steve Bannon was busted on? happened.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I suspect you're wrong on that point. The more time passes the more likely it is that the remaining unvaccinated are the true believers. It takes a lot of conviction to ignore the evidence piling up on a daily basis.
dhanson865
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Fresh batch of tests reported yesterday, a new record number here. Will need a few more days to see how it averages.
fwiw we did have a super spreader event (presumably) when "The Vols defeated Bowling Green, 38-6. Attendance for the season-opening game at Neyland Stadium was 84,314"
"UT encourages but doesn’t require masks to be worn" to the football stadium. Or at least they didn't require it last week. We'll see how this plays out I guess.
fwiw we did have a super spreader event (presumably) when "The Vols defeated Bowling Green, 38-6. Attendance for the season-opening game at Neyland Stadium was 84,314"
"UT encourages but doesn’t require masks to be worn" to the football stadium. Or at least they didn't require it last week. We'll see how this plays out I guess.
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