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So, UK restricts travel from SA, though ...Seeing a lot of buzz about the new variant: (B11529 OR "B.1.1529") in South Africa
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So, UK restricts travel from SA, though ...Seeing a lot of buzz about the new variant: (B11529 OR "B.1.1529") in South Africa
Google search for your own DD
(B11529 OR "B.1.1529") variant - Google Search
The question here is what is the percentage of infected unvacinated people compared to other states. Even if the vaccinate rate would be 80% there would still be 20% of the population that can get the virus and that is still a large number of sick people.Interesting development... I'm still glad I received my booster.
The five most vaccinated states in the United States—Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut and Massachusetts—are all experiencing surges in new COVID-19 cases, as the Biden administration urges people over 50 to get their booster jabs.
The question here is what is the percentage of infected unvacinated people compared to other states. Even if the vaccinate rate would be 80% there would still be 20% of the population that can get the virus and that is still a large number of sick people.
I find that the John Hopkins University of Medicine site is a good data source for state, national and international reporting.It's so annoying that news outlets can't just report this data with the links. Or do the research to figure it out... And also that some states don't seem to track it carefully. It's important! Really of course the CDC should be doing this...more than once a month...and by state.
Looks like something like 3-4x the rate in unvaccinated individuals in RI; not great but not awful. These are just case rates of course - hospitalization picture would look better, while deaths not quite as good as hospitalization (the most vulnerable are more likely to be vaccinated). Get boosted.
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For Massachusetts they force you to put together the data yourself AFAIK. How hard could it be for them to calculate rates for their community? Maybe I missed something. Couldn't find easy data on the other states in the list.
Looks like about 1/3 of the cases, 7000 out of 20000k in the past week were in vaccinated individuals, so twice as many in unvaccinated. Just really rough eyeballing this. So likely again maybe a similar 4x-5x the reduction in rate if you're vaccinated.
Fairly consistent with what we've seen, and I expect with the abysmal booster messaging we'll see the gap narrow in the coming months unless that messaging changes in a big way.
Seeing a lot of buzz about the new variant: (B11529 OR "B.1.1529") in South Africa
Google search for your own DD
(B11529 OR "B.1.1529") variant - Google Search
JOHANNESBURG, Nov 24 (Reuters) - South Africa has asked Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) and Pfizer (PFE.N) to delay delivery of COVID-19 vaccines because it now has too much stock, health ministry officials said, as vaccine hesitancy slows an inoculation campaign.
_ About 35% of South Africans are fully vaccinated, higher than in most other African nations, but half the government's year-end target. It has averaged 106,000 doses a day in the past 15 days in a nation of 60 million people.
_ Earlier this year the programme was slowed by insufficient doses. Now deliveries have been delayed due to oversupply, making the country an outlier in the continent where most are still starved of vaccines.
_ Nicholas Crisp, deputy director-general of the Health Department, told Reuters that South Africa had 16.8 million doses in stock and said deliveries had been deferred.
_ "We have 158 days' stock in the country at current use," a spokesman for the Health Ministry said. "We have deferred some deliveries."
It only takes about 10% of the adult population getting COVID at the same time to overrun the hospital system. Even the "most vaccinated states" aren't 90% vaccinated. Even in New England there's enough people walking around with no immunity to allow a pretty substantial COVID wave.Interesting development... I'm still glad I received my booster.
The five most vaccinated states in the United States—Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut and Massachusetts—are all experiencing surges in new COVID-19 cases, as the Biden administration urges people over 50 to get their booster jabs.
The confirmed case in Israel is being reported as having been triple vaccinated.
Correct. What we don’t quite know yet is whether this variant has evaded the various protections of vaccination etc …..It has never been claimed that the vaccine (including booster) offer full protection against infection with the virus, but they do drastically reduce the chances of developing serious and life threatening symptoms.
Now, three confirmed cases in Israel.The confirmed case in Israel is being reported as having been triple vaccinated.
Well I would not go quite as far as you suggest. However, it would be reasonable to allow insurance companies to surcharge the unvaccinated and/or not cover the costs of treatment for the unvaccinated. I would add more restrictions - no flying, concerts, sporting events etc. for the unvaccinated.there is an article in the Washington Post about Michigan Emergency rooms and hospitals getting overwhelmed by Covid-19 and being full, and anticipating _even worse numbers over the next few weeks when it goes beyond “code red” the highest level and then going a worse level up.
what’s the next level up?
perhaps it is mirrored and realized in the comments section
a loss of patience and sympathy and coldness, society breaking apart, a forced, very unwelcome Sophie’s choice where _society is triaged.
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“mostly unvaccinated . . . “
“The way to fix this situation with the terminally stupid is to change the rules:
No jab - no Medicare/Medicaid.
No jab - no Social Security.
No jab - no job.
No jab - unemployment benefits.
No jab - no family assistance.
No jab - last in line for medical care.”
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“Michigan gets what it gets.. They are all woefully ignorant.”
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“You paint with too broad of a brush. It is mostly the Trumpanistas who are not getting vaccinated or those who watch Faux Tv which continually peddles lies about the vaccines while the network mandates their employees to get vaccinated.”
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and
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“ A few months ago I heard an epidemiologist say something that really struck me:
You don't catch the virus. It finds you.
When you think about it like that, you begin to understand better the reality of the thing. It doesn't sleep. It doesn't get distracted. It's hunting. And if you don't get vaxxed, it will find you.
That's how to understand what's happening in the Michigan hospitals and elsewhere... everywhere. “
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A tracking site that started yesterday (25th) gets updated several times per day.The confirmed case in Israel is being reported as having been triple vaccinated.
Re: "you suggest" ---Well I would not go quite as far as you suggest. However, it would be reasonable to allow insurance companies to surcharge the unvaccinated and/or not cover the costs of treatment for the unvaccinated. I would add more restrictions - no flying, concerts, sporting events etc. for the unvaccinated.
perhaps it is mirrored and realized in the comments section
Well I would not go quite as far as you suggest. However, it would be reasonable to allow insurance companies to surcharge the unvaccinated and/or not cover the costs of treatment for the unvaccinated. I would add more restrictions - no flying, concerts, sporting events etc. for the unvaccinated.
As of dec 8th, in Singapore, if you don’t have a vaccination it’s strictly pay as you go. No universal healthcare for unvaccinated.Well I would not go quite as far as you suggest. However, it would be reasonable to allow insurance companies to surcharge the unvaccinated and/or not cover the costs of treatment for the unvaccinated. I would add more restrictions - no flying, concerts, sporting events etc. for the unvaccinated.