diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Let's remember that it is not L5 or nothing. If Tesla achieves a solid L4 autonomy that would still be fantastic.
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Could the Model 3 autopilot HW support up to Level 5 autonomous driving?
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MotoEvCA
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Thank you for making that early investment in FSD. I strongly believe SAE Level IV capability may require an additional decade or longer to achieve. It may take a mandatory vehicle-2-vehicle communication standard in place on a generation of automobiles and trucks (including commercial) and the will of society to allow a vehicle to take control away from the driver when a vehicle operates outside a given set of parameters.
While the roads will become safer over time, the same technology may give the government (fed, state, and local) through complicit manufacturer support / compliance to have 24/7 awareness of where the vehicle is located and possibly have the ability to disable the vehicle as determined (arrest, non-compliance, suspicion-person of interest, etc.) by policing authorities.
This global race to autonomous driving seems forced and I will raise the conspiracy theory that this is one of many steps for population control in the future.
It is people like this speaker (see video below) we should have concern. She is being touted as an expert in autonomous vehicles but her thoughts are devoid of whether we should want to surrender control / access of privately owned vehicles to partial / full control to an auto manufacturer / government entity. Government has proven to not always be a benign force for good.
Hurricane Irma
Tesla wrapped it's decision to unlock additional to some vehicles potentially impacted by Hurricane Irma as a gesture of kindness and concern. I and others were uncomfortable with this unilateral decision without customer consent.
Musk stated that the car would taxi passengers around on the Tesla Network (allowing the car to pay for itself & hence there is no need for a cheaper car again) - if city only, Level 4, if anywhere, Level 5
If I buy a car with claimed capabilities and these aren’t delivered, lawsuit would be successful as night follows day
Some interesting situations there!
Doesn’t matter what a Tesla Agent says, they ain’t a judge
Public statements can be considered contractual
MotoEvCA
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How do you know this? I spoke to Tesla regarding the specifics of the FSD product as the basis for my comment.
davidc18
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I will be impressed when the latest version of AP is able to read and react to stop signs and street lights. If they can deliver this, I will consider possibily letting go of our wonderfully functional AP 1.0 (firmware 7.1) cars.
MotoEvCA
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Correct... A binding agreement has to have specificity and Tesla is not stupid. When I asked Tesla about adding an addendum to the purchase agreement specifying the terms of FSD do you wanna guess what their answer was?
Nuclear Fusion - Thanks for proving my point. 'Most consumers do not understand contract law and are too arrogant to admit it.
Sorry, but I don't follow how Tesla temporarily removing a software limitation giving those people more range to escape a natural disaster is anything to be uncomfortable about. Can you explain what you see as the negative aspects of this decision are/were?
Yeah, exactly - they learned that with specified HP numbers in earlier P models and lawsuits that followed.
Now there is no date when those capabilities have to be delivered, not one mention about "level" etc.
So
this lawsuit will be as successful as suing the Sun that it doesn't shine at night.
MotoEvCA
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In the United States, if you have a purchase agreement for a vehicle and there is a written contract, the only terms that are honored are what is in the written document.
Here is Elon Musk presenting AP2 as Level 5 capable on launch:
Tesla's Full Self Driving level?
They may have contractual wiggle room but especially for Model S/X sold in 2016, they may be in for a mess nevertheless were that to turn out to be far from the truth...
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The black area shows the rough blindspots of the current AP2 camera setup. It can not see around its nose on vision.
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Fake news! if they retracted it, I question whether it will stand up in court.
But the evidence between this video and the fsd demo and the fsd promise 3-6 months definite departure from eap is not a good sign. I'm still playing for fsd and damn the expense.
Also this may not just be about contractual wiggle room but whether Tesla used misleading marketing - and whatever repercussions might come from that.
Yeah, but I have greater levels of logic than 95% of the population, so things are more obvious to me than most.
In addition, I have undergrad level Business Law education (even though law isn’t as logical or complex as science)
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