Do you have some sort of special access to Edison's sharepoint? I'm unable to login as a "normal" Microsoft customer. Tells me my account isn't found in Edison's portal.
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CPUC NEM 3.0 discussion
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skepticcyclist
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This SCE page links to their tariffs which is hosted on a SharePoint site, but it didn't require any login and I was able to download a PDF.
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I don't see how that is any different than what is given under 2.0This SCE page links to their tariffs which is hosted on a SharePoint site, but it didn't require any login and I was able to download a PDF.
I'm confused as this was just updated pricing effective 1/1/24, what were you expecting?
Tariffs are tariffs regardless of NEM 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0. Well except for NEM 3.0 that allows only specific new tariffs. For PG&E this is E-ELEC, I don't recall what the equivalent tariff names are for SDGE and SCE.
Updated FAQ from reddit.
Interesting that on NEM3.0, your NEM3.0 on sale of the home is locked for 9 years (on NEM3.0). I wonder if there will be more value placed on homes for sale under NEM2.0 after April 14th vs. NEM3.0. However, with how high home prices have been, I don't tend to see much increase purely on solar, but this may change since anyone could've put solar on a home purchase for said $15-$25k for a basic system after a buy, but that's not going to be the case moving forward after NEM3.0 (unless there is a NEM4.0 to fix NEM3.0 causing the collapse of tens of thousands of jobs).
In the grand scheme of a home purchase in CA, solar is a small price ($15k - $25k) that is peanuts when someone maybe paying $1 - $2+ mil on a home.
Another point mentioned in a comment is if you sign and get your paperwork all submited to grandfather NEM2.0 from one company, trying to switch to another is probably impossible (too complex, no policy to switch) so if said company went bankrupt or closed down/left CA market due to CA killing off solar, you're probably out of luck as well so maybe it's safer to get it done ASAP before companies leave.
Interesting that on NEM3.0, your NEM3.0 on sale of the home is locked for 9 years (on NEM3.0). I wonder if there will be more value placed on homes for sale under NEM2.0 after April 14th vs. NEM3.0. However, with how high home prices have been, I don't tend to see much increase purely on solar, but this may change since anyone could've put solar on a home purchase for said $15-$25k for a basic system after a buy, but that's not going to be the case moving forward after NEM3.0 (unless there is a NEM4.0 to fix NEM3.0 causing the collapse of tens of thousands of jobs).
In the grand scheme of a home purchase in CA, solar is a small price ($15k - $25k) that is peanuts when someone maybe paying $1 - $2+ mil on a home.
Another point mentioned in a comment is if you sign and get your paperwork all submited to grandfather NEM2.0 from one company, trying to switch to another is probably impossible (too complex, no policy to switch) so if said company went bankrupt or closed down/left CA market due to CA killing off solar, you're probably out of luck as well so maybe it's safer to get it done ASAP before companies leave.
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What do they mean by 75% lower? I ask because I see people word statistics incorrectly. Do they mean 75% of the current rate (meaning 75 cents to every dollar) or 75% off the current rate (meaning 25 cents to every dollar)?
Assuming it's $1/kWh,
NEM 3.0 will buy say, peak power at $0.25, but when you need it on a cloudy day, it's $1.00. Every region is different, but that's the general gist as I understand it.
In San Diego, it's more like you export at $0.13 and you buy at $1.00. You'll never make it up I think with solar since when I did my calcs, I used like 3x more power during peak periods.
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So it is more like the latter? Average of 25 cents to each dollar compared to NEM 2.0
Yes. I seriously think after all the job losses in 2024 (some place predicted 40%, I'd guess more since people will hold out going solar to see if a better deal shows up or if the law is changed like NV), perhaps a more gradual path.
This would not be a good look for Newsom if he has presidential aspirations.
The 9 year period is a lock on your compensation rate for exports, you can opt out early if you want to, and then the rate is adjusted on a yearly basis IIRC.
The rate is a time-of-day and season/monthly/daily(?) based, so I'm really interested in seeing how this is communicated plus how this handled between the IOU (transmission+distribution) and CCA (generation) components.
I fully expect that the unbundled rates you will see for CCA customers will show PG&E charging you to take your solar during high noon and the CCA paying you for your generation, for a small net compensation. Earlier in the morning and later in the afternoon, compensation will be higher.
I fully expect a thread on TMC in 2027 where someone's like "WTF my energy bill is 45 pages with every rate every hour out to 5 decimal points, but nothing effing makes sense" Then they'll @Redhill_qik for help.
Question for you guys: I first installed a 20 panel system 4.5 years ago and then added 10 more panels 1 year later. At the time, the installer did not file any paperwork with PG&E for the upgrade (long story). I have a dedicated meter for my solar production so PG&E knows exactly what I produce and have not raised any questions. If I sell my house, what do you think the risk is that PG&E might find out and convert new owner to NEM3?
Real estate disclosure in California is very strict now. Given that you know that PG&E has wrong data about your solar, you should disclose that to a potential buyer. Do you want to be in that situation? I would not. Therefore, you should file your own interconnection application with the original contract and building inspection as proof of timeline and get everything corrected in PG&E’s records before the Net Billing Tariff takes effect.
Also if you have not filed, your max export is limited to only what they have approved. You have never gone over? I know I did one month HUGE until I got it resolved
Sounds like a good idea for a side hustle
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