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A capatcive wheel sensor or eye tracking would take care of that.
Tesla's system for driver "monitoring" sucks.
Teslas preventions are reasonable. People overcoming the preventions is not. Putting one’s life and others at risk is the drivers fault not Tesla! So are we supposed to make sure people can’t hang themselves with their own belts?They should have done this a long time ago starting from 2014 AP1. Their mistake was going along with Tesla being a silent partner and let other Youtubers risking their lives test that out for us for all these years.
Yes, Youtubers have done it with no drivers in a driver's seat for years but they are not as prestigious as a real reporter's test.
Consumer Reports should have spoken up years ago and not waiting till now to say that hey, there's a weight sensor, why not using it not just to alarm the seat buckling practice but also to deploy the Autopilot Shut Down Process whenever there's a drastic weight reduction detected on the driver's seat.
Consumer Reports hasn't fallen. But you apparently have with your oddball comments. The CR article pointed out serious problems with the Tesla autopilot that should have been corrected years ago with weight sensors in the driver's seat and cameras to monitor the driver's eyes. Instead, we have horns that fart, and a CEO that's on Saturday Night Live. Look at Cadillac's Super Cruise autopilot, a newcomer that doesn't have these problems.I’m waiting for other CR tests. Maybe they could do one on gas tanks exploding after they remove all safety features and then toss them in a fire. Honestly it’s just another hit piece, Tesla does not claim it’s systems can’t be defeated by morons, in fact they make it very clear the system must be monitored at all times and you must keep your hands on the wheel. When did CR fall so far?
The CR article pointed out serious problems with the Tesla autopilot that should have been corrected years ago with weight sensors in the driver's seat and cameras to monitor the driver's eyes. Instead, we have horns that fart, and a CEO that's on Saturday Night Live. Look at Cadillac's Super Cruise autopilot, a newcomer that doesn't have these problems.
I'll let your response stand on it's own shaky legs. My guess is since you just joined this group you don't own a Tesla, more than likely never road in a Tesla and surly don't own a single share of Tesla.Consumer Reports hasn't fallen. But you apparently have with your oddball comments. The CR article pointed out serious problems with the Tesla autopilot that should have been corrected years ago with weight sensors in the driver's seat and cameras to monitor the driver's eyes. Instead, we have horns that fart, and a CEO that's on Saturday Night Live. Look at Cadillac's Super Cruise autopilot, a newcomer that doesn't have these problems.
Super Cruise doesn't have this problem are you sure ??? I ever saw a dangerous system like that yes driver are monitoring but no alarme nothing see this now you now video at 16:30Consumer Reports hasn't fallen. But you apparently have with your oddball comments. The CR article pointed out serious problems with the Tesla autopilot that should have been corrected years ago with weight sensors in the driver's seat and cameras to monitor the driver's eyes. Instead, we have horns that fart, and a CEO that's on Saturday Night Live. Look at Cadillac's Super Cruise autopilot, a newcomer that doesn't have these problems.
Capacitive sensors don’t work if you have gloves on. Eye tracking fails with sunglasses.A capatcive wheel sensor or eye tracking would take care of that.
Tesla's system for driver "monitoring" sucks.
I read your (and many other comments here) and wonder why it’s suddenly Tesla’s (or any other manufacturer’s) responsibility to come up with a system that’s impossible to defeat. Tesla has warnings in both the manual and on the screen. When you buy the car, it clearly states that the car is not completely autonomous. You have to regularly provide some sort of input when autopilot is engaged. If you put weights on the steering wheel, buckle the seatbelt when no one‘s in the seat and put a weight in the seat you can trick the system. So what? At what point is it the idiot’s responsibility and not Tesla’s?Consumer Reports hasn't fallen. But you apparently have with your oddball comments. The CR article pointed out serious problems with the Tesla autopilot that should have been corrected years ago with weight sensors in the driver's seat and cameras to monitor the driver's eyes. Instead, we have horns that fart, and a CEO that's on Saturday Night Live. Look at Cadillac's Super Cruise autopilot, a newcomer that doesn't have these problems.
...come up with a system that’s impossible to defeat...
My analogy: Defeating a GFCI outlet in a bathroom, plugging in a hair dryer and taking a bath with it. Lots of work, predictable outcome.Capacitive sensors don’t work if you have gloves on. Eye tracking fails with sunglasses.
I read your (and many other comments here) and wonder why it’s suddenly Tesla’s (or any other manufacturer’s) responsibility to come up with a system that’s impossible to defeat. Tesla has warnings in both the manual and on the screen. When you buy the car, it clearly states that the car is not completely autonomous. You have to regularly provide some sort of input when autopilot is engaged. If you put weights on the steering wheel, buckle the seatbelt when no one‘s in the seat and put a weight in the seat you can trick the system. So what? At what point is it the idiot’s responsibility and not Tesla’s?
Tesla is not the one creating a dangerous situation here; CR is.
Edit: virtually every car can go 100 mph but that’s not safe. Should car makers put limiters on cars? Based on people’s logic here they should.
Do you remember the quote "The reason creating foolproof devices is so difficult is because fools are so clever."? Perhaps we should add a Darwin award category for reviewers... Nearly all devices can be used to limit human lifespans, but that's not usually what they were intended to do. Extra points could be awarded when fewer recipients are killed by these "suggestions".What don’t you get? They are pointing out the system employed by Tesla can be easily defeated. Unlike systems from other manufacturers like GM which have additional checks in place.
It only sucks when the driver is making a concerted & deliberate effort to do something obviously, staggeringly, stupid & dangerous in full knowledge that the whole point of the exercise is to make a vehicle do something it was clearly designed to not do.Tesla's system for driver "monitoring" sucks.
I'll let your response stand on it's own shaky legs. My guess is since you just joined this group you don't own a Tesla, more than likely never road in a Tesla and surly don't own a single share of Tesla.
I agree. It does look like sellers on Amazon are already trying to capitalize on making products available to trick Teslas. Just check out this product which will be available June 21st:I imagine these rudimentary attention systems in other cars could be tricked by printing a face of someone and taping it to the seat. Has someone tried this?
There’s no stopping stupid people that have a death wish.
Now that just makes too much sense to talk about ;-)Reports emerging that there may have been a driver who ran away.
Those products are sometimes banned on some platforms only to reappear with disclaimers like "don’t use while the car is in motion".I agree. It does look like sellers on Amazon are already trying to capitalize on making products available to trick Teslas. Just check out this product which will be available June 21st:
XTAUTO for Tesla Model 3/Y Counterweight Ring for Autopilot Automatic Assisted Driving FSD AP
Products like this should be banned on Amazon.