Creep, Roll and Hold

[ADEEL421]

So I had a loaner model 3 and I noticed it had a feature of "HOLD" under driving along side of creep and roll. see pic.
How come we dont have this on our model S??? mine is a 2017 MS but only see creep and Roll.
i loved how M3 would stop fully and i dont have to press the break however in my MS i have to press break for full stop and hold it there or the car does move.
Also M3 slows down significantly when i release accelerator however my MS does not. i think it used to but now it doesnt break much.

Anything I am missing?

 

[ucmndd]

Requires the PMSR drive unit in the Model 3 that your Model S doesn't have.

 

[swt2c]

So I had a loaner model 3 and I noticed it had a feature of "HOLD" under driving along side of creep and roll. see pic.
How come we dont have this on our model S??? mine is a 2017 MS but only see creep and Roll.
i loved how M3 would stop fully and i dont have to press the break however in my MS i have to press break for full stop and hold it there or the car does move.
Also M3 slows down significantly when i release accelerator however my MS does not. i think it used to but now it doesnt break much.

Anything I am missing?

My MS will hold if you press and release the brake pedal after stopping.

As for regen braking, what do you have your Controls > Driving > Regenerative Braking set to?

 

[Art VandeIay]

that your Model S doesn't have

Considering Ravens (and probably Palladiums as well) have the front Permanent Magnet Motor, you can get a Raven (built on May 2019 onwards) @ADEEL421 and you can enjoy this feature as well as a vastly improved version of your current Model S suspension.

 

[drewr82]

My refresh ‘16 has hold as well.

 

[InspireSiR]

I have a 2021 Long Range Plus, which I just took delivery of, so I guess that would be a Raven.

I just checked and I have Creep, Roll, and Hold options. I had it set to Creep as I thought I preferred the car to act like an automatic transmission. I will try Hold and see how I like it and how the regen works.

On another note, I do not have an option to adjust the amount of regen when I let off the throttle. Was this feature removed with a recent software update or do the Ravens not have this feature available?

 

[ucmndd]

My refresh ‘16 has hold as well.

The brake hold feature on your car is not the same option that is being discussed here.

 

[dannycamps]

On another note, I do not have an option to adjust the amount of regen when I let off the throttle. Was this feature removed with a recent software update or do the Ravens not have this feature available?

Yes the ability to adjust the strength of the regen was removed from the Raven builds at the time the one-pedal driving (regen to hold) feature was added.

 

[f205v]

@ADEEL421 I have a 2017 Model S as well.
We are stuck with a motor technology that doesn't allow for "hold", because we have electromagnetic motors on our cars (both front and rear).
Model 3/Y and newer Model S/X have electromagnetic motor on the rear, and permanent magnets motor on the front.
The permanent magnets motor allows for the "hold" functionality.

 

[ADEEL421]

@ADEEL421 I have a 2017 Model S as well.
We are stuck with a motor technology that doesn't allow for "hold", because we have electromagnetic motors on our cars (both front and rear).
Model 3/Y and newer Model S/X have electromagnetic motor on the rear, and permanent magnets motor on the front.
The permanent magnets motor allows for the "hold" functionality.

Ahhh...this explains well. Thanks

 

[drewr82]

The brake hold feature on your car is not the same option that is being discussed here.

The OP references their personal vehicle as a ‘17 that does not have an option for hold. Thus, my comment about my ‘16 having brake hold is relevant.

 

[DukeofURL]

@ADEEL421
Model 3/Y and newer Model S/X have electromagnetic motor on the rear, and permanent magnets motor on the front.
The permanent magnets motor allows for the "hold" functionality.

You are correct for the S, but the 3 is opposite, it has a PMSRM motor in the rear, and induction in the front.

 

[ucmndd]

The OP references their personal vehicle as a ‘17 that does not have an option for hold. Thus, my comment about my ‘16 having brake hold is relevant.

No, it’s not. You’re talking about a different feature. Look at the menu screen shot in the first post. Now go try to find that setting with the same three options in your car. You won’t find it. Whatever you think your car has is not what’s being discussed in this thread.

 

[drewr82]

Ok, before you blow a gasket here, take a breath and relax. I should’ve chosen a different word, other than “option.” My apologies.

I get it. Different drive units, different technologies, hence different features. You are referencing the menu screen of the Model 3. I am referencing this:

i have to press break for full stop and hold it there or the car does move.

In my car, at a full stop, I can release the brake because it switches to HOLD. This also what swt2c stated.

 

[jlv1]

In my car, at a full stop, I can release the brake because it switches to HOLD.

Break HOLD is not the same as the Creep / Roll / Hold option being asked about in the OP. Your '16 does not have the feature being asked about.

 

[swt2c]

The reason I mentioned brake hold originally was because OP stated "in my MS i have to press break for full stop and hold it there or the car does move." which seems like the OP is unaware of the brake hold functionality.

 

[David29]

Considering Ravens (and probably Palladiums as well) have the front Permanent Magnet Motor, you can get a Raven (built on May 2019 onwards) @ADEEL421 and you can enjoy this feature as well as a vastly improved version of your current Model S suspension.

"Palladiums"??? Maybe I missed the memo, but what the heck is a Palladium?

 

[pilotSteve]

My refresh ‘16 has hold as well.

Yes, my 2016 S90D has this as well. Whoever “disagreed” with your post is not informed of the multiple iterations of brake boosters that have been shipped since 2012. Its not the same as current production but it “holds” the brake after manually coming to a stop. Its very handy and I love being able to hover my foot over the accelerator awaiting the green light.....

 

[Jughead135]

it “holds” the brake after manually coming to a stop.

Let me try...: The part I bolded is where the confusion is coming in. No one is disputing that you have brake hold in the sense you describe.

FULL STOP/NEW TOPIC: The question raised by the OP involves the distinction between older cars having "Creep" or "Roll" options (perhaps not called exactly that, I don't know), whereas the newer ones have "Creep," "Roll," and "Hold." The first two operate just like they did on the older cars. The third option allows the car to come to a complete stop on its own: regen down to whatever "min speed" is, then apply the brakes to come to the full stop (at which point, the "brake hold" you are discussing kicks in, as if the car had been braked manually to the full stop).

 

[Art VandeIay]

what the heck is a Palladium

The horizontally oriented, showered, yoke trimmed brother (son?) of the Raven... You know what they say, Palladium refresh beauty only comes from within...

No memo, apparently just internal codename.