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Current status of Firmware 6.0 ?

Theshadows

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Just you watch: the "learning and adapting to your behavior" will benefit air suspension cars, not regular suspension cars. Wanna bet?

I don't know, I emailed the following to ownership last December. I'd love to see all of this built into the system. Perhaps someone heard and they implemented something like this.

Part of this idea would use an inclinometer, which with hill hold, we now know that all of the Model S's have that piece of hardware to make this "feature" possible.

It would be awesome if the regen was given an AI.

The background in this is with my normal driving style, leaving the streets I live on it would be nice to have a bit more regen to stop the car at the rate I would like it stopped. The car could learn this using gps and repeated trips down the same street that have a repeatable stopping patern.

The third turn out of our house has a steep downgrade and to get the regen to end perfect at the stop sign I have to start decelerating 1/4 mile before I get to it and creep down the hill. Not the preferred method of driving. If the regen would operate at 40-60kw for this hill it would probably be close to perfect. As it is because of my speed and the grade of the hill increasing I have to enter the steep part of the hill at 20mph and the regen is only about 15-20kw tops at that speed.


It would be really nice if on your commonly traveled streets the car would figure out your average deceleration rate and adjust the regen to slow the car they way you like it slowed.

Because the AI might be a little complex, another option could be if there is something in the car that would measure the grade the car is on and the logarithm could take that into consideration when calculating regen forces. The grade sensor would be better for roads that are not common or traffic prevents a standard stopping rate.

And yet another idea would be to have a third "aggressive" regen setting or possibly a "custom" setting that would show a dial knob that you could incrementally increase or decrease the regen strength and then save it with the driver profiles
 

iffatall

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Nov 15, 2013
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I don't know, I emailed the following to ownership last December. I'd love to see all of this built into the system. Perhaps someone heard and they implemented something like this.

Part of this idea would use an inclinometer, which with hill hold, we now know that all of the Model S's have that piece of hardware to make this "feature" possible.

Doesn't the car already regen as much as it can? Can it regen more than the max without change in hardware?

We already adjust the regen applied between the zero and the max level using the accelerator pedal. Not sure I want something else to also control it at the same time. May be I did not understand correctly what was being suggested.
 

Theshadows

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Doesn't the car already regen as much as it can? Can it regen more than the max without change in hardware?

We already adjust the regen applied between the zero and the max level using the accelerator pedal. Not sure I want something else to also control it at the same time. May be I did not understand correctly what was being suggested.

No, you don't always get full regen. Full regen would be 60kw all the time. (Although you do still want a taper so you don't come to screeching stops.) You get that (60kw) from highway speeds however it tapers as your speed slows more. When going down a steep hill, I have had the car speed up because the regen wasn't enough to overcome gravity.

Also my normal driving style stops a little faster than the regen does on a flat. This is where I think the learning would come in handy.

I have not passed this idea on to ownership, but I think the rate you lift your foot off the accelerator should also control the amount of regen you get. Like in an emergency stop situation, you yank your foot off to head for the brakes. The car senses you removed your foot in a panic and immediately goes to full regen. That fraction of a second could be the difference between an accident and a close call.
 

iffatall

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No, you don't always get full regen. Full regen would be 60kw all the time. (Although you do still want a taper so you don't come to screeching stops.) You get that (60kw) from highway speeds however it tapers as your speed slows more. When going down a steep hill, I have had the car speed up because the regen wasn't enough to overcome gravity.

Ah, OK... I understand what you mean. I am not sure if the lower regen applied at lower speeds is intentional or a physical constraint.

....I think the rate you lift your foot off the accelerator should also control the amount of regen you get....

I believe this already happens to a certain extent. The upper limit of the regen may be determined by your speed, but within that limit, the amount of regen I think already depends on how quickly you release the accelerator.
 

DDotJ

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Feb 28, 2013
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Tesla's Android application just got an update on the Google Play Store. In the changelog it indicates that it is adds support for new features with V6.0.

What's New
New features (which require Release v6.0 in Model S):
- Owners will now be able to start their Model S from the app
- Support for the new Calendar feature in Model S Release v6.0
- New UI layout

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslamotors.tesla
 
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LuckyLuke

Model S P90DL
Dec 14, 2011
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Eindhoven, The Netherlands
iOS app update is also available:
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SteveW25561

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Jun 10, 2013
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Oh boy! Charging status change notifications! That'll help allay concerns about unplugging, charge rate drops, breaker tripping and charge compete events. I was hoping for this feature (and emailed ownership about it before). Even better if the car had the ability to reach out to your cell via SMS directly so it wouldn't matter if the app is installed or if notifications are down. Here's to hoping these updates signify an imminent 6.0 release (imminent as defined by normal understanding, not Teslaspeak).

Not seeing the new version in the Canada iOS App Store yet.
 

tomas

Out of warranty...
Oct 22, 2012
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So much for tesla tying release to apple in any way. Given their relationship with google I do not believe we will ever see co-marketing or preferred treatment with apple, always an attempt to do iphone and android.
 

andrewket

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Dec 20, 2012
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New app installed on my iPhone. I did have to re-enter my credentials but it logged right in.

Besides the changes in the release notes, I noticed you can now unlock the charge port from the app.
 

J1mbo

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Aug 20, 2013
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Oh boy! Charging status change notifications! That'll help allay concerns about unplugging, charge rate drops, breaker tripping and charge compete events. I was hoping for this feature (and emailed ownership about it before). Even better if the car had the ability to reach out to your cell via SMS directly so it wouldn't matter if the app is installed or if notifications are down. Here's to hoping these updates signify an imminent 6.0 release (imminent as defined by normal understanding, not Teslaspeak).

Not seeing the new version in the Canada iOS App Store yet.


The (unofficial) Windows Phone app already gives you notifications when charging is complete/interrupted/etc.

;)
 

AnOutsider

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Apr 3, 2009
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Maybe more will change when 6.0 is detected on my car, but so far the app's layout is the same. The only changes I noticed was being able to slide from screen to screen (including the slide animation even if you just tape the icon) and a new menu on the left which has sign out and main controls as options.
 

Theshadows

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New app installed on my iPhone. I did have to re-enter my credentials but it logged right in.

Besides the changes in the release notes, I noticed you can now unlock the charge port from the app.

You could do that with the old app. I used it all the time for J1772 stations.
 

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