I think that the CT is striking, but ugly, and I think the real functionality of that fugly I will have to see to believe (much like the yoke steering wheel [and gullwing doors] that I think is an idiotic gimmick). It's a shame Nikola Motors is a scam. Of all the potential Truck EVs, I liked the looks of the Nikola Badger the most. Ford Lightning is a fair second place with a lot of smart practical applications, but the idea of buying an American legacy auto turns my stomach.
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CyberTruck Image Leaked
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So how many units did Tesla sell in 2021? Because BMW sold in excess of 2.2M
In fact, more than 2.5MM, 328k+ of which were "plug-in" vehicles (only 103k being pure BEVs, so I'd say that's more accurate as a comparison).
Tesla delivered 936k cars, about 37.4% of BMW's deliveries.
I think that Ogre referred to US sales where apparently Tesla outsold BMW in 2021 IIRC
That is a great looking truck. I agree with you on the CT styling, and it is getting worse now with the front bumper, side mirrors, giant wiper, etc. It is a shame because there is no need to go so extreme with it. The main value proposition is dent-less stainless steel and bullet proof glass. I don't recall anyone ever asking for those two things in their next truck.
I like to be able to pick a color other than the same one as my kitchen sink, a bed you can reach over the side rails and a frunk which is huge advantage in an EV pickup.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Probably because no one ever thought it possible. I'll take both thank you very much, anything else seems lame in comparison now. "What, your truck gets dents, paint scratches, and can rust? Why?" Just like no one asked for a cell phone without physical keys either.
Agreed on the stainless, though it poses constraints that do require some trade offs, like drag (probably). The glass is not as interesting to me.
Barklikeadog
Active Member
And that there is the thing about owning a truck... customization. You can get your vehicle in any number of combinations. and options.That is a great looking truck. I agree with you on the CT styling, and it is getting worse now with the front bumper, side mirrors, giant wiper, etc. It is a shame because there is no need to go so extreme with it. The main value proposition is dent-less stainless steel and bullet proof glass. I don't recall anyone ever asking for those two things in their next truck.
When I watched the reveal night videos where attendees were getting a ride in the truck, they were a bunch of urban coffee shop goers.
I look at the vehicle and see annoyingly high side rails, no drain holes, tie down holes in a triangle shape with sharp edges(wtf?)
handles... guys with trucks wearing gloves would probably like handles, I know I do. Spare tire? where is it? Hopefully not like Rivian
where it's under the bed and you have to unload the bed along the highway to access it.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Of course the point of the sloping front is better aero than any other truck. I guess you mean the sharp edges, which could be more curved with conventional steel, but I think the main aero benefit comes from the slope of the front.
That is my thinking as well. The CT seems to appeal more to non-truck people looking for something unique to drive. Trucks from the Ford, GM, Dodge, Toyota come in a ton of configurations to meet various use cases, price points, etc.
I have also heard the stainless is more difficult to repair and will cost more to insure as a result. This also assumes everyone wants a truck in stainless steel color.
You are missing the forest for the trees here. People keep this refrain up “When legacy auto decides to start making EVs… “
Do you wait until a new competitor is bigger than you? Just 80% of your size? Only beating your most popular model in some markets?
At what point would you suggest it is remotely interesting to start “Trying”?
dazedNconfuzed
Member
Kind of hard to comment on something we know nothing about.
Apple specialty is flat computers, with robust ecosystem. A car is way outside that.
As a hardcore Apple fan (making a good buck of the platform) I’m not excited about an Apple Car. Curious, open to info, yes; don’t expect.
NY_Rob
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Yes and the CEO of BMW has paid for that with his job... many at BMW are outraged that BMW has fallen so far it's early EV leadership under the tenure of the now outed CEO...
BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics
BMW CEO Harald Krueger is stepping down amid weakening profits at the luxury automaker and pressure to meet challenges from new technologies.
apnews.com
5 years ago, the rest of the industry was struggling to figure out how to make EVs and Tesla was struggling with how to figure out manufacturing at scale.
Tesla has licked manufacturing at scale. I’ve seen little evidence that the rest of the industry has figured out EVs. There are a lot of big problems they are quire a bit behind on solving.
If Ford could have produced 50,000 Mach Es, they’d have easily sold them all. They might have sold twice that many, hard to say. Tesla thrashed them at the very thing everyone says these guys are good at—manufacturing at scale.
NY_Rob
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I owned a Volt from 2014-2017 then a Bolt from 2017-Nov 2020..
The Volt was an excellent and dependable vehicle, unfortunately it was necessarily complicated due to it's hybrid design and would be scary to own out of warranty. I imagine GM did not have a high profit margin on this one time halo product. They were happy to discontinue it based on "low sales volume".
The Bolt was excellent as well, a sturdy and dependable vehicle with no mechanical issues overall until the recent (LG made) battery fire issues. They will be happy to distance themselves from the Bolt name going forward.
I wasn’t trying to pan any of these products. I totally agree. A friend of mine owned (maybe still owns) a Volt and loved it for a long commute.
The Bolt issue should be a case study in business school. It was certainly an LG issue, but on the Bolt, GM outsourced engineering of a critical portion of their vehicle. So much so that it was arguably as much an LG car as it was GM.
No, you're missing the point. You stated that Tesla outsold BMW, which is completely inaccurate.
Why the mods keep letting you post fallacy as fact is beyond me.
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Wow...a US based manufacturer outsold a German based manufacturer in the US? Color me shocked.Yes and the CEO of BMW has paid for that with his job... many at BMW are outraged that BMW has fallen so far it's early EV leadership under the tenure of the now outed CEO...
BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics
BMW CEO Harald Krueger is stepping down amid weakening profits at the luxury automaker and pressure to meet challenges from new technologies.
Kia outsold Tesla in Korea by 1000% in 2021. That must mean Kia is better than Tesla.
