I guess the big difference between van and a truck is where the ICE is located: in front of (truck), or under (van), the driver. I guess evolution, accounting for safety crumple zones and V-engine ICE has caused the distinction to diminish. Today, it tends to be mostly style. I'm sure that EVolution will change these even further as an EV doesn't need any large void for an ICE. Maybe something like this?
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or the canoo, funkily shaped ev
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NASA Contracts Canoo To Create Electric Transport For Artemis Astronauts
This vehicle will fulfill the role of the old Shuttle era Astro van, to drive astronauts to the launch pad.
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Like a Suburban or Explorer? /s
The larger space is because vans don't expend wheelbase with the ICE in a hood.
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AquaY
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I was a GM guy since before I drove. Still own a 1935 Chevy and a 1971SS Camaro
The last 3 GM vehicles I had sucked so bad I bought Mopar. It was painful. A RAM 1500.
So much better than my GM vehicles.
I’ll never buy a GM again
rhumbliner
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Wow, that’s quite the admission. Must’ve been kinda tough to make the break but kudos for being so honest. I was 68 when I purchased my first pickup truck so I was pretty much agnostic when it came to trucks, despite the fact that my dad was, and my siblings are, all Chevy diehards. I chose the RAM 1500 due primarily to the glowing reviews in Car & Driver but it’s still just a placeholder until my CT or R1T arrives.
It’s amusing to me how pickup trucks can inspire such loyalty. My siblings would never consider a RAM or Ford and would never even comparison shop on prices or features.
pdx_m3s
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I really just want an F-150 Lightning with the Tesla charge port (and SuC network) and Tesla software. Perfect combo.
If I had to buy a new pickup today it would almost certainly be the Stellantis (Ram) because they drive lovely and you absolutely get more content in a Stellantis for the money than you do in a GM.
That said, I purchased my wife a new Jeep in late 2015 that she still drives, and it's been the single least reliable vehicle I've ever owned by a huge margin. It spent months in the shop the first 2 years, so although it was under warranty I'd always still get stuck with bills for extended rental cars (warranty only covers 30 days), programming that they required to fix codes but wasn't under warranty, and just general *sugar* design. It has 70K miles now and the entire adaptive cruise control/ stability system just began flashing on the dash and I'm looking at a 4 figure repair bill on a car with only 70K miles, this time out of warranty. The water pump went out once and it was nearly $1K and backordered for 6 weeks.
My current '18 GM truck bought new has 90K miles with $0 spent on maintenance and my last GM went over 240K miles (then it was totaled by the new owner, a friend's son) with less than $1500 in lifetime total maintenance costs.
IME, GMs essentially don't experience failures just require maintenance. But some experience squeaks and annoyances. As I said, an oil field fleet customer with scores of every brand of truck shared their internal data with me and reached the same conclusion.
GL.
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roblab
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I hope you don't complain too loudly for Tesla charging you each time you charge, then. Supercharger network isn't free. Part of its cost is embedded in each new Tesla's price. Other than that, have fun with your Ford. As I recall, Ford stands for Fix Or Repair Daily. They build cheap cars, which is the main reason people buy them. And Chrysler products are a few notches below that.
Consumer Reports reliability ranking by brand has Ford all the way down at 18. Still, a nice premium to Tesla at 27...
| Ranking | Brand | Score |
| 1 | Lexus | 76 |
| 2 | Mazda | 75 |
| 3 | Toyota | 71 |
| 4 | Infiniti | 69 |
| 5 | Buick | 66 |
| 6 | Honda | 66 |
| 7 | Subaru | 66 |
| 8 | Acura | 64 |
| 9 | Nissan | 63 |
| 10 | Mini | 60 |
| 11 | Hyundai | 56 |
| 12 | Chrysler | 54 |
| 13 | Porsche | 52 |
| 14 | Chevy | 48 |
| 15 | Audi | 47 |
| 16 | Cadillac | 47 |
| 17 | BMW | 45 |
| 18 | Ford | 44 |
| 19 | Kia | 43 |
| 20 | Volvo | 42 |
| 21 | Ram | 40 |
| 22 | GMC | 37 |
| 23 | Mercedes-Benz | 34 |
| 24 | Volkswagen | 31 |
| 25 | Genesis | 30 |
| 26 | Jeep | 26 |
| 27 | Tesla | 25 |
| 28 | Lincoln | 18 |
What does this even mean?
For me “Reliability“ means the chance my car will break down on the side of the highway. That is not what Consumer Reports means in this report at all.
Agreed Ogre.
Those reliability studies punish squeaks and rattles as much as they do blown major components that'll leave you stranded.
They are of limited value.
My worst car ever was a 1995 Golf. Just about everything that could break broke (speedometer hand rarely worked toward the end). My 2002 Tahoe had a few large expenses including a failed gas pump that required towing. The tranny on that sucker died a few months after we sold it around 150-160K miles. I assume that most modern EVs will do a lot better than those 2.
My worst car was a VW Jetta. It was genuinely unreliable. With electrical failures that required going into the shop within a month of ownership, a total engine replacement required at 65,000 miles ($4500), and the turbo melting down and blowing chunks of metal into the exhaust system requiring the turbo and exhaust system be replaced entirely.
When someone says “Reliability” then talks about paint chips I just roll my eyes. Unless you are talking about big chunks of paint peeling off, it’s a minor issue.
When someone says “Reliability” then talks about paint chips I just roll my eyes. Unless you are talking about big chunks of paint peeling off, it’s a minor issue.
Tesla suggests possible shift to 800V in Cybertruck and Semi, not Robotaxi or 3/Y
Big vehicles at big volumes are what might merit an 800-volt architecture, top Tesla executives suggested this week, not the smaller models.
What does this entail as far as charging at home?
Nothing. The Tesla charger and J1772 will still work fine.Tesla suggests possible shift to 800V in Cybertruck and Semi, not Robotaxi or 3/Y
Big vehicles at big volumes are what might merit an 800-volt architecture, top Tesla executives suggested this week, not the smaller models.www.greencarreports.com
What does this entail as far as charging at home?
The onboard charger will be the one turning 220V AC into 800V DC
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