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Daimler subsidiary cell factory

Discussion in 'News' started by Tasmanian Devil, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. Tasmanian Devil

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    Found today on Der Spiegel ( Elektroautos: Li-Tec schließt einzige deutsche Batteriezellen-Fabrik - SPIEGEL ONLINE )
    Sad news (interesting for Tesla ?):

    Electric Cars: Daimler closes Germanies only battery cell factory

    The future of the E-Car-Battery does not rest in Germany. The only factory
    producing respective cells closes soon, according to information
    available to Der Spiegel. The Government wants to put a million electric
    cars on the road by 2020 regardless.

    Hamburg - The only german factory producing battery cells for electric
    cars will be closed. Just for about another year the company Li-Tec in the saxon
    town of Kamenz will be producing accumulator cells. The company is a
    subsidiary of Daimler Corporation.

    "Our cells are very good but much too expensive at our current production numbers"
    Daimler-Manager Harald Kröger reasons the shutdown in a Spiegel interview.
    Last week, Daimler internally pronounced the end of the factory to it´s 250
    employees, of which more than half can remain employed within the corporation.

    Only massproduction makes factories like that profitable. That´s why it was part
    of the Daimler-calculus that other car corporations would participate and also let
    their cells be produced in Kamenz. But possible partners failed to materialize.

    Now the corporation changes it´s strategy. "We realized that a car manufacturer does
    not necessarily have to produce the cells themselves", says Kröger.

    For electromobility in Germany this is another setback. The Government wants to
    put a million electric cars on the road by 2020. Development of electromobility
    is also part of it´s strategy to reduce CO2-emissions by 40% until 2020.


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  2. green1

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    Well at least Daimler realized that scale was important, the problem is they weren't willing to build enough BEVs, and neither were any of their partners....
     
  3. 1101011

    1101011 Proud TSLA/SCTY shareholder since 2012.

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    Potential customer for the Gigafactory...
     
  4. SmartElectric

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    This was expected.

    The factory produces the battery cells for the Smart Fortwo Electric Drive.
    The next generation Smart ED will be 2016 model year and use a different battery pack.
    Meanwhile the 2015 Smart ED will continue with the existing pack, hence the "one more year" of production for the factory.
     
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    I think it's important to note that while Li-Tec is closing its cell production (R&D get transfers) the AccuMotive Daimler subsidiary is actually adding plant space:

    SZ-Online: Daimler steht zu Kamenz
    (German)

    Daimler only closes its cell production, not battery pack and associated R&D (both for cars and stationary energy systems).
     
  6. v12 to 12v

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    Daimler was a Tesla partner for years and Tesla still sells them drivetrains. Daimler was on the Tesla Board of Directors until last June. Daimler sold their shares in Tesla because they lost their seat on the BOD.

    Maybe Tesla convinced Daimler that it was too small of a factory to begin with. Now news bites are coming out saying that Elon is talking about building a battery factory in Germany. Or, instead, is there a NUMMI like deal on its way for the soon-to-be former Daimler battery factory?

    This could turn out to be a very interesting story.
     
  7. SmartElectric

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    They're baaaaack.

    Daimler to follow Tesla with new €500 million lithium-ion battery factory: pv-magazine

    Daimler expands pack manufacturing. Obtains cells from Asia.

    I find it interesting that Daimler claimed cell production was in an excess supply situation, which you would think would lower prices, but there has been no sign in the industry on this till GM reported their deal with LG Chem with much lower cell prices for the Bolt. Meanwhile, where are the other car companies with their products given this "excess supply" situation... hmmm...
     
  8. tftf

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    #8 tftf, Mar 2, 2016
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    That's what I wrote 15 months ago (see above), now they add another factory section for 500 million EUR.

    An interesting comparison of this cap-ex with Tesla-Panasonic: These two are investing less into a combined cell/pack facility until mid-2016 (the planned opening date of the pilot plant):

    Source: http://bit.ly/1L0rxqd (PDF, PTD was until January 2016)

    These are tiny cap-ex numbers compared to a full "planned" output of 35GWh in cells and 50GWh in packs in Nevada.

    How can Tesla create the largest Li-Ion battery factory in the world with these modest numbers? It simply can't - Daimler's investment numbers for a mere pack assembly expansion are another proof imho.

    Since there is no activity on further outer shell construction in Nevada beyond the current size, an expansion is 2+ years away until more cells could roll off additional sections - even if Tesla started building additional Gigafactory "sections" tomorrow morning.
     
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    It seems like Audi (VW) will get the batteries for the upcoming 300 miles fully electric Audi Q6 from a new €300 million Samsung / LG Chem factory near Breslau, Poland:

    Google Übersetzer
     
  10. green1

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    The "excess supply" is exactly because nobody is making the cars. If they were there'd be a huge shortage, but as long as they don't make EVs, there are plenty of batteries for them.
     
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    Probably should consider amending the name of this thread since the original title does not reflect the current situation...
     
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    I'm not sure if open or closed or what... so just removed the word "closed" from the item.
     

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