Garlan Garner
Banned
Couldn't you just wait for AP to get updated to something you like and just not use it until then?I'd be happy if it just didn't nag me when my hands are on the wheel. It requires too much resistance right now.
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Couldn't you just wait for AP to get updated to something you like and just not use it until then?I'd be happy if it just didn't nag me when my hands are on the wheel. It requires too much resistance right now.
This is exactly the problem with the new AP nags. I have to fight the wheel to make them go away and that makes the car wander unsafely in the lane. Additionally, the frequent nags require less attention paid to driving because I have to more frequently look down at the dash to see if the nag has cleared. On 7.1 I could drive for miles at a time with my complete attention paid to the road since it wouldn't nag me. Now on 8.0 I have to look away from the road every 15-60 seconds to deal with a nag. That is a major safety issue.I was just thinking about this weight idea today. The nag doesn't really want you, or care if you, keep your hands on the wheel. It wants you to fight with the wheel to apply pressure so it knows you are paying attention. I do keep my hands on the wheel lightly so I can take over and it pesters me the entire drive. I agree keeping hands on the wheel is good (I don't trust autosteer), but I shouldn't have to fight with the wheel!
I agree with you 100%. In 7.0 where the nags were only when the car was unsure I agree that any weight to make them go away was unsafe. In the thousands of miles I've driven with AP I've found that in 8.0 the car fails to nag when it is unsure & starts wandering, choosing instead to nag every 15 seconds. I pay very close attention to the road and usually I can anticipate when it will need help so I am already holding the wheel when it starts to wander. But when I'm going through a curve that the car navigates just fine and now I'm forced to grab the wheel and forcibly divert the course of the car to clear the nag now this is unsafe because I have to wander in my lane. 7.1 nags were a good balance IMO, 8.0 is ridiculous!I couldn't stand the new nag happy 8.0.
And to address all the other posts in this thread, it's completely safe. The nags don't actually need you to guide the wheel, they're just making sure you're paying attention, which I am. I just find the nags to be more distracting and being completely hands free is a better driving experience for me. More relaxed = less fatigue and more attentive for long road trips.
Now I can go 100+ miles without having to touch the wheel on routes that would've otherwise nagged me 30 times, and AP was flawless with no intervention. It actually let me gain a ton of confidence in how well the latest AP can perform. I'm still paying attention if I need to take over, but it's way better this way, and it's the experience I paid for when I got the car.
Nags are just out of hand, with v8. Way too frequent and distracting. I'm surprised there hasn't been an outcry about this.
There has been, but it has been quashed by the "Tesla can do no wrong" crowd.Nags are just out of hand, with v8. Way too frequent and distracting. I'm surprised there hasn't been an outcry about this.
ooooo. Wow. does your non mechanical nag know your TMC handle? WOW.Maybe my car is just special, but there is no question it has a nag (actually 2, but only one mechanical)
Why is it, every time I read the title of this thread, I see it as "Deadly weight..."
"injured driver is denied insurance coverage after cursory review of data logs and online post delineating how to defeat safety features of car..."Guaranteed 15 minutes of fame device:
"(insert name) crashes Tesla while overriding AutoPilot with silly dangly"
LOL, you actually believe that this is a safety feature? wow... Tesla sure fooled you..."injured driver is denied insurance coverage after cursory review of data logs and online post delineating how to defeat safety features of car..."
It is a safety feature, for me, may be not others. I do keep my hands on the wheel--i'm driving a car, what else am i going to do with my hands. The sensors keep the car in the lane, alert for pending collisions and create a buffer around the car.LOL, you actually believe that this is a safety feature? wow... Tesla sure fooled you...
This does not do anything at all to improve safety under any circumstances. It does in fact reduce safety as Elon himself stated when he described how people get a nag, tug the wheel, get a nag, tug the wheel, it's a trained response.
If they wanted to improve safety, the car would never nag you, unless it wasn't sure of what was going on, and then would nag you. Those nags would cause you to pay attention because they'd only happen when the car needs it.
As for the "paying attention" part, it's quite clear that there is no correlation between drivers paying attention, and drivers tugging on the steering wheel.
This is 100% Tesla's attempt to respond to the media. Not to improve safety as it won't have any effect on that.
How does it make you safer? If the car didn't nag you, would you instead sleep in the back seat? What about the nag makes you personally safer?It is a safety feature, for me, may be not others. I do keep my hands on the wheel--i'm driving a car, what else am i going to do with my hands. The sensors keep the car in the lane, alert for pending collisions and create a buffer around the car.
I'm not sure what you mean by the last comment, i'm not in the media, and i'm not part of tesla... Just drive the car...
And hence the "nag" frequency was increased. I use AP frequently in heavy traffic with commutes over 50+ miles regularly. With my hands on the wheel, sometimes i wonder who is driving, i'm driving or the car is driving me. I have found AP very useful in heavy traffic situations.How does it make you safer? If the car didn't nag you, would you instead sleep in the back seat? What about the nag makes you personally safer?
Which is the safer situation, the guy watching a DVD and tugging the wheel each time the nag goes off, or the person with his hands lightly resting on the wheel scanning the road outside the vehicle and ready to take over immediately?
The former is encouraged by the nag, the latter is discouraged. The nag does not add any safety.