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Drama queens, were you threatening all the innocents on the road when you used 7.0 AP?
No, I've never been threatening innocents at any time. I am always paying full attention to the road, and am ready to take over immediately at all times. I have proven this repeatedly in thousands of kilometers of AP driving. This is a driver assistance feature, not autonomous driving, and I treat it as such. You'll see in my various postings on this forum that I have always been quite clear and consistent on this point. The driver is responsible for all actions behind the wheel, and Tesla is responsible to not steal functionality from a vehicle they do not own. Tesla does not have the right to remove functionality from something I already purchased, no matter how much they feel it will improve their PR image.Drama queens, were you threatening all the innocents on the road when you used 7.0 AP?
Seriously? The reason it has you put your hands on the wheel is because it doesn't know where to steer. If you hang something on the wheel, you'll just cause the car to leave the road and crash.
As I've mentioned before, you (and others) are quoting a message that is over a year old. At the time, that's how Autopilot worked. It didn't have all of the nags that some people are complaining about now.No, the reason it does it is to make sure you're paying attention. If it was because it didn't know where to steer it would crash after I simply touch the steering wheel to tell it I'm still paying attention.
For the nanny ninnies, allow me really melt your mind:
With these improvised solutions to create a static torque, AP performance is improved dramatically. Something about the constant reaction force has a stabilizing effect. I think because the motor torque through the EPS rack is always positive and doesn't go through zero, so perhaps the lash and other compliance that can be challenging for feedback control are removed from the situation. Whatever the reason, the steering is much more stable and that includes over crests and other events where AP typically struggles, it seems to continue straight rather than diving toward the roadside.
Anyone else have a similar experience?
As I've mentioned before, you (and others) are quoting a message that is over a year old. At the time, that's how Autopilot worked. It didn't have all of the nags that some people are complaining about now.
I don't have a precision scale to weigh my solution, but I am sure it's more than 8 oz. It doesn't appear to be heavy enough to eliminate all nags, but it does reduce them.1lb is likely more heavy than necessary though. Looking for some 0.5lbs wrist weights..
Maybe instead of nags they should fix things that are actually dangerous, like the lane biasing that doesn't work, or the tendency for 8.0 to brake way too late into the *soil your underpants* zone on the highway.
To be honest, before reading your arguments on the subject I hadn't really thought about the property rights argument. I think that many people don't consider software to be something they own. However, after reading your arguments I agree with you 100%.I'm shocked that nobody else seems to be concerned with the property rights argument here.
When we allow companies to remove functionality after the sale, where's the limit? What did I actually buy? how can I enjoy my ownership experience if I'm constantly dreading what feature Tesla will remove next?
Nope. I paid $2500 for the car to drive me down the road. If that isn't something Tesla is capable of continuing to allow/support, they can buy the car back.
No, I've never been threatening innocents at any time. I am always paying full attention to the road, and am ready to take over immediately at all times. I have proven this repeatedly in thousands of kilometers of AP driving. This is a driver assistance feature, not autonomous driving, and I treat it as such. You'll see in my various postings on this forum that I have always been quite clear and consistent on this point. The driver is responsible for all actions behind the wheel, and Tesla is responsible to not steal functionality from a vehicle they do not own. Tesla does not have the right to remove functionality from something I already purchased, no matter how much they feel it will improve their PR image.
The great thing about auto steer is it doesn't nag or require you to put your hands on the wheel actually like other brands. It only does when it can't figure out where to go, doesn't have enough data, or you actually do need to steer.
In using it today, it has a pretty solid feel when in control and if you want to use the wheel to force it off you have to apply a decent amount of force - especially if it starts to veer dangerously or something. Overall works great without any nags when in normal operation though so no weights/trickery needed unless justified it seems.
My other take is that it is freeway ready, useful when following another car and with lane info, but not quite solid for city driving roads for sure yet. I think we are a ways off from that in years...