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Decoding Tesla Model S VINs

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by Thread Summary, Feb 4, 2012.

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  1. breser

    breser AutoPilot Nostradamus

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    I've updated the wiki page to include the V. NHTSA still hasn't updated the filed encoding rules for Tesla.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Which is no longer true since S70s are now being made. So it's actually impossible to tell the difference between a S70 and S60 from VIN if it was made in 2015. Not clear if the manufacture month is sufficient to tell the difference since there may have been some S60's still in queue to be built when the S70 starts being made. Then again the gap between 70D being added/S60 being removed and the S70 being added makes that less likely. Not sure what the cut off would be though.
     
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    My just-assigned S85D VIN is 5YJSA1 E 27FF ...

    I can't find an explanation of 7th character "E" anywhere. I admit I haven't read this entire thread.
     
  3. breser

    breser AutoPilot Nostradamus

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    Interesting. If they were going to change anything I'd have expected them to change the 70 code to make it unambiguous with the 60. Wonder what the meaning of a new code for 85s is. If I had to bet, new chemistry battery. Bet the 85s are going to start being the same chemistry as the 90s just with fewer cells.
     
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    My S70 also has an E in the 7th position.
     
  5. breser

    breser AutoPilot Nostradamus

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    Well that's going to be hard to decipher without more information.

    It'd be really nice if Tesla would update their filings with NHTSA. But there appears to be a giant loop hole in 49 CFR 565.16. They can just say they can't provide the information within the 60 days before sale rule and then delay until 1 week after they do have the information. Though I'd say that they don't have the information is rather disingenuous when there are cars with these VINs (excluding the E in Digit 7) being sold.

    At this point the following changes are in place in VINs being sold in the US that haven't been included in their filings:

    • V and E codes for Digit 7.
    • 4 code for P vehicles with AWD for Digit 8.
    • Production phase code (digit 12) removed to allow 6 digit sequence numbers.
    • Executive Rear Seats changed Digit 6 (I'm a bit iffy if this was only non-US orders or applied to US orders too).
     
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    My UK RHD P90D is 5YJSB7E48FF096XXX

    It was originally a P85D which I upgraded after my original VIN was assigned.

    The original was 5YJSB7H43FF096XXX
     
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    That change, plus the fact that my newly ordered 85D has an "E", would be a clue that "E" denotes a type -- not size -- of battery.
     
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    I have attached a list that shows a VIN-sequence of Norwegian 70D cars. The list contains only 70D cars.

    As you can see, the VINs are grouped by car-type, then by color.

    But the 9th character in the VIN seems to be incrementing along the VIN, and then "wrapping" back around. Is this some kind of check-digit?


    vin-sekvens.png
     
  9. markwj

    markwj Moderator, Asia Pacific

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    See the wiki here: Decoding Tesla Model S VINs

    The 9th digit is a check digit.
     
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    breser AutoPilot Nostradamus

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    That's a pretty impressive collection of sequential VINs. I'm not aware of anyone else that's managed to capture so many like that.
     
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    Car-info is public information here in Norway, so it's easy to collect. I guess it's much more complicated over in the USA, because of all the states.

    Take your VIN for instance, 67071. There is a Norwegian (P)85D-sequence shortly after yours:

    VIN Chassisnr
    67076 5YJSA7H2XFFP67076
    67077 5YJSA7H21FFP67077
    67078 5YJSA7H23FFP67078
    67079 5YJSA7H25FFP67079
    67080 5YJSA7H21FFP67080
    67081 5YJSA7H23FFP67081
    67082 5YJSA7H25FFP67082
    67084 5YJSA7H29FFP67084
    67086 5YJSA7H22FFP67086
    67087 5YJSA7H24FFP67087
    67088 5YJSA7H26FFP67088
    67089 5YJSA7H28FFP67089
    67090 5YJSA7H24FFP67090
    67091 5YJSA7H26FFP67091
    67092 5YJSA7H28FFP67092
     
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    I suspect the 7th position "E" is the new code for those like me with the (6% Battery) Range Upgrade to 90kWh.
     
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    Nope, mine is a 85D but still has the "E".
     
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    And I have a S70 and also have an "E".
     
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    Just curious, I wonder if Tesla is now making only one battery pack and setting limits in firmware? Hence all the new cars with E in the 7th position.
     
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    Interestingly enough they've been good at keeping the Australian authorities up-to-date - and they now show "E" as 7th digit for all variants

    Because the RVD listing only allows for up to 5 variants they've broken it up into two types of listings - "A" which has the 60kWh and 85kWh models, and "B" which has 70kWh and 90kWh

    for example MS-RVD-10A has
    5YJSB~S1$%F...... 60 kWh
    5YJSB~H1$%F...... 85 kWh
    5YJSB~H3$%F...... 85 kWh Performance
    5YJSB~H2$%F...... 85 kWh Dual Motor
    5YJSB~H4$%F...... 85 kWh Perf. Dual Motor

    and MS-RVD-10B has
    5YJSB~E2$%F...... 70 kWh Dual Motor (I don't know if this is in error and they meant single motor - it's 28kg / 61lb lighter than the 2nd variant)
    5YJSB~E2$%F...... 70 kWh Dual Motor
    5YJSB~E4$%F...... 90 kWh Perf. Dual Motor

    and now MS-RVD-11A (which I assume supersedes MS-RVD-10A)
    5YJSB~E1$%F...... 60 kWh
    5YJSB~E1$%F...... 85 kWh
    5YJSB~E3$%F...... 85 kWh Performance
    5YJSB~E2$%F...... 85 kWh Dual Motor
    5YJSB~E4$%F...... 85 kWh Perf. Dual Motor

    ~ - Restraints type. 3, 5, 6, 7 or 8
    $ - Check digit
    % - E, F, G for Model Year
    ...... - 6 digit sequential number
     
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    As pointed out in the Model X forum, the U.S. Model S VIN decodings have been updated here: ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/ORG11229.pdf

    Digit 7 is now Fuel Type: E = Electric. This seems like a waste of a digit as it's pretty obvious for Teslas, unless this is a precursor to industry-wide changes where fuel type must be consistently noted within the VIN.
     
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    I've got a 5YJSA1E. Got excited for a second and thought it might be 3rd gen charger. Yes it seems like a waste of a digit.
     
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    Can you tell if this has supercharger enabled? 5YJSA1CG2DFP10674
     
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    breser AutoPilot Nostradamus

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    Nope. We can say that all 70, 85 and 90 kWh cars are super charger enabled (which we can detect somewhat from the VIN). But can't tell you anything about SuperCharger state on a 60 kWh car. You'll have to ask Tesla.
     
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