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Definition of 'sandbagging'

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Larry Chanin, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. Larry Chanin

    Larry Chanin Model S Perf Sig 1055

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    Hi Greg,

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I unfortunately have never associated "sandbagging" in a positive way. Here's how Dictionary.com puts it:

    sand·bag
    verb, sand·bagged, sand·bag·ging.
    noun
    1. a bag filled with sand, used in fortification, as ballast, etc.
    2. such a bag used as a weapon.
    3. to furnish with sandbags.
    4. to hit or stun with a sandbag.
    5. Informal .
    a. to set upon violently; attack from or as if from ambush.
    b. to coerce or intimidate, as by threats: The election committee was sandbagged into nominating the officers for a second term.
    c. to thwart or cause to fail or be rejected, especially surreptitiously or without warning: He sandbagged our proposal by snide remarks to the boss. ​
    6. Poker . to deceive (one or more opponents) into remaining in the pot by refraining from betting on a strong hand, then raising the bet in a later round.

    Larry
     
  2. grisnjam

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    That is how I normally think of sandbagging, interesting there are so many other meanings.
     
  3. shokunin

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    Since I'm in sales, "sand-bagging" is commonly used as a "under-promise/commit" and out of nowhere, overdeliver. It's the out-of-nowhere component that drives the sand-bagging part.
     
  4. Robert.Boston

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    At the risk of continuing the off-topic wandering, on the Phrase Finder bulletin board, someone offers this story (which matches what I thought I knew of the origin of "to sandbag"):
     
  5. Arnold Panz

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    That's a terrible definition on Dictionary.com. I play golf and poker, and you hear the term used every day on the golf course, and I don't know that I've ever heard it at the poker tables. For a golfer, it means artificially inflating your handicap so that you are able to win a match or tournament by "sandbagging" with a handicap much higher than your level of play. At any member-guest tournament, pretty much any time a guest with a handicap greater than single digits hits a nice shot or putt they are accused of sandbagging or being a sandbagger.
     
  6. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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    Similarly, I was familiar with its use in bowling. Sandbagger was whispered of only a few players in the leagues I bowled in.
     
  7. Brian H

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    One origin story is from soap box derbies, hiding a sandbag in your car to get a favourable start position during qualifying, and draining or dumping it during the real race.
     
  8. arg

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    The Oxford English Dictionary's entry is somewhat interesting.

    For the noun sandbag it gives:

    A bag filled with sand for use:
    .... 3. as a weapon to inflict a heavy blow without leaving a mark ....

    And as a verb it gives:

    1. barricade or defend. 2. place sandbags against a window, chink etc. 3. fell with a blow from a sandbag. 4. (N.America) coerce by harsh means.

    I had always assumed that the modern use for 'take by surprise' (golf etc. examples earlier in this thread) related to definition 3 - the use by historical criminals/military to sneak up on someone and kill them silently.
    The OED's idea of North American usage doesn't seem to be up-to-date on how you guys actually use the term.
    I had always assumed that the modern use of 'sandbagging' to
     

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