Yes, you can. Open the rear hatch of the X. Press the button once to drop the headrest on each seat. Press the button a second time to drop each seat forward. Push forward while pressing the button. Nothing awkward about it. Done.
Well don't I feel stupid now. OK, Bonnie, flipping down seats isn't awkward. Flipping up seats, however, requires essentially the same steps (in reverse) as I outlined.
Yeah - my arms are just about 1/2" too short to grab that seat from the hatch and flip it up. But realistically, I've only needed to put it up when someone was going to get into the third row anyway. So it hasn't been extra actions. And don't feel bad. Consider that by sharing what you were doing on the forum, we saved you a TON of steps in the future. And you probably helped out a bunch of other people who were doing exactly the same thing and will always be grateful to you.
From the videos I've seen of it, it seems like Tesla could easily integrate a strap like in the Honda Odyssey. Yes, it would be on top of the setback when it's flat, but you could use that to pull the seats up and back through the rear of the vehicle. I'll have to see it in person to imagine it properly, but that would be a solution. Sometimes it's nice to flip those seats back up for guests without climbing into the back, so it would be nice to be able to set it all back up from the rear if possible.
Maybe I should start a new thread but I just received an invitation to the 'Model X City Tour'. This is a chance for model X reservation holders to see and drive the X. The tour starts in California but makes stops across the country from Jan 30-March 30th. By appointment.
All this seat flipping, and I won't have any part of it. Imagine, a Model X with NO seats that fold. Yup, give Tesla a star for a new seat software that makes the old original seats obsolete! I asked the SC today what happened? Why did the seats work at delivery, but then didn't work after delivery and still don't work after 2+ days of repair. Here is the story: Seats did fold at delivery, but then a software update occurred that would not allow the original seats to fold. Rather than creating new software for the old seats, they have ordered new rear seats for my teenage VIN. The new seat design works with the new software. So, no folding seats for me until the new rear seats arrive and are installed. Well, if it still works as it did at delivery, the problem with a strap is the seat is locked. Yes, you must push the button again to unlock the seat to raise it. Now maybe Tesla solved that with the new generation of rear seat, but I won't know that until the new rear seats arrive.
Have I walked into a strange parallel universe? One where Tesla have already redesigned the seats and are retrofitting them mere weeks after delivery? If so this is just nuts. The only possible explanation is the car simply wasn't ready and rushed out to "hit the numbers" and deal with the consequences later. I have to wonder what else lurks waiting to be replaced in the field? We can only hope it's minimal, or the already overstretched service centers are going to get completely snowed under
i have definitely moved from "wish I didn't have to wait but I understand it" - to - "I understand that it is probably OK to wait" Thank you to all the beta testers! :wink:
We are all counting the number of angels dancing on pinheads with information about Fresno, choke points, 99% completion at Fresno and new parts with nothing but scuttlebutt news. Is there a reliable source that anyone has with real information from TM about what issues they have been having? I love reading the posts you all make, but it seems like absolute hearsay. You all have anecdotal stories and coy responses from the SC people, who too seem in the dark. We all like tidbits of news upon which we try to connect the dots to regional/national implications, but I would like a real document. Do any of us really "know" if anyone from TM actually read these and respond to them in any way, shape or form? Is anyone out there listening from TM? How about anyone from TM monitoring FB X Owners Forum?
I think that there might be a misunderstanding here - no 'next gen' seats (which implies some new design coming), but rather that one specific customer seats appear to have an issue that require replacement. There were a number of deliveries that had problems with non-folding third row seats (mine included) that were quickly resolved. In my case, the seats were working the next morning. No 'next-gen' required. I think Mark Z's seats probably weren't accepting the update (ie, have some hardware latching problem) and they ordered replacement seats. Not 'next gen' seats. I would be stunned if they looked any different than what is already delivered. Of course I could be wrong - but since he has the same problem many of us had & the problem was resolved for everyone else with the existing seats, common sense says he's just getting replacement seats.
aka shooting yourselves on the foot with needlessly complicated designs not once but twice with fancy eye-candy doors and artistic seats.
Perhaps a poor choice of words. Instead of next gen, which might be misconstrued as looking different or improved, it sounds as if there MIGHT be a new version which contains an update to the mechanism. It's also possible that tesla doesn't intend to replace v1 seats with v2, and that the software will support both. We really don't know. But I think we can all agree that the seats will not look any different.
Tesla does not publicly release "official" company documents stating known issues with their products, if that is what you mean. Almost everything you read on TMC regarding issues with the cars is based on personal experience or reports from owners who don't post on TMC. Some posts convey information passed on from a Tesla employee in a service center, for example. That information may not be entirely accurate. You seem to want Tesla to issue official reports to the public or owners on service issues. I do not expect Tesla will do that. I am sure that on other forums about other car manufacturers vehicles the same speculations occur based on anecdotes and hearsay.
Maybe I wasn't clear in what I was saying. I did not say straight replacement seats would not work with old firmware (obviously not the case since so many original seats ARE working with both old and new firmware). I am saying that there was likely something wrong with his particular set of seats. Those faulty seats are being replaced.
Ah, that actually makes sense. The Odyssey strap is a latch release as well (something I forgot when I posted). It's embedded into the seat and pulling it also releases the latch that holds the seats in place. If you've never seen those rear seats in operation, they're a work of art. :wink: And it looks like they're offering electric versions. Watch these glorious examples.
Or the explanation is exactly what Mark Z was told. New software and 'old' seats don't work together. Tesla decided they want to change the seats (since they're doing their own seats now because the seat supplier couldn't get their act together) rather than change the software. No need to look for something negative to fit the story you want to tell. Adding: Now that I've read the rest of the posts on the topic....um...yeah. You're just looking to make stuff up.
If you read the owners manual someone posted online, at some point there will be a "cargo mode" button on the main screen that will automatically fold down the rear seats and move the middle seats fully forward. It will not operate if any of the middle or rear seats are occupied. You will still need to lift the rear seats by hand, but as was pointed out up thread, whoever is planning to sit in the rear seats can lift them prior to sitting down. For rear visibility I may leave my third row down most of the time.