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Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by nick_083, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. nick_083

    nick_083 Member

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    I have a P984, but a must have option for me (AWD) is currently unavailable. I assume it has to become available since X will have AWD - but during my discussions with Tesla reps they were very evasive in outlining IF or WHEN the AWD will become an option for S.

    Now the question for the community: what do I do with my reservation in the meantime? I am OK continuing to offer Tesla an interest-free loan on $5K... but I would really like to have some evidence confirming I am waiting for a real thing.
     
  2. dsm363

    dsm363 Roadster + Sig Model S

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    I don't think you'll get confirmation about AWD in the Model S by the spring or next summer unfortunately. The Model S's traction control, if it's like the Roadster, should be excellent. Would dedicated winter tires not be good enough for where you live? If AWD is a deal breaker, maybe the Model X might work better or the Model S will get it around the same time as the Model X in 2014.
     
  3. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    But Tesla isn't going to give you that confirmation. So I'm unsure of what you're asking ...

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    Majority opinion on TMC is that there will eventually be an AWD Model S. But there is no confirmation from Tesla & (obviously) no time line. For them to announce something like that now could cut into current sales. See Osborne Effect.
     
  4. NigelM

    NigelM Recovering Member

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    Prediction that I doubt anyone will argue with: X will be here long before an S AWD ever arrives.
     
  5. AnOutsider

    AnOutsider S532 # XS27

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    Concurred my good man.
     
  6. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    Well, SOMEONE will undoubtedly argue with that prediction. But I won't.

    :)
     
  7. nick_083

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    Thanks for your input - really appreciate it. Looks like the model X is a way to go then.
     
  8. teslasguy

    teslasguy MSP P#1117

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    If an AWD S is a requirement for you, then seems to me that you would be best served cancelling your current reservation and getting your $5k back.
    I think an AWD version is not in any neartime outlook. And by the time it is available they shouldn't have the long wait list they do now.
     
  9. kevincwelch

    kevincwelch Active Member

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    I'm sure you'll get a lot of good feedback from midwest owners over the next 6 months in terms of how well the Model S handles snow and slush, but as others have said, if AWD is a must, reserve the X.
     
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    Curious -- why do you think AWD is a requirement? I ask because the Model S RWD system is *far* better than most people realize.
     
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    +1, I would go as far as to bet that Tesla's traction control for 2wd is better than most 4wd's!
     
  12. Doug_G

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    Right. I (unintentionally) drove my Roadster through a blizzard last winter and it handled it quite well. The traction control is pretty amazing. I'd expect the Model S to be even better.
     
  13. nick_083

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    Traction control - no matter how good it is cannot defy the laws of physics: there's only so much traction each tire gives you based on the size of the patch which meets the road. It is naive to assume you can have better traction with some smart gadgetry and only 50% of the potential grip on the road.

    The AWD is a personal preference. I've done a fair share of rally driving and none of the RWD / FWD cars handle the way their AWD counterparts do. I can guarantee you that with all the technology and instant torque AWD model S will be a lot faster and much more fun to drive, whether it is a straight line or hugging the corners.
     
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    You can drift different and better with a 4wd than a 2wd ...and the S will drift
     
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    I agree (my current car is AWD), however my experience here in Canada is that most people like AWD for traction on wintry roads. The problem is that for most people, they get into trouble trying to stop (not accelerate) and when it comes to stopping, AWD affords little, if any benefit (for the "typical" driver).
     
  16. Doug_G

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    +1. Driver experience and skill trumps any vehicle technology.
     
  17. jkirkebo

    jkirkebo Model S P85+ VIN 14420 EU

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    Agree. I keep a set of good chains in the car instead. 2WD with chains has better traction in deep snow than 4WD without chains.
     
  18. cinergi

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    I'm not saying RWD with awesome T/C in the Model S is *better* than AWD ... I'm saying it's more than sufficient to get through some pretty heinous wintry conditions; you'll see a LOT of other cars getting stuck before you do.
     
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    It should be sufficient to tell them, "Brakes are already on all 4 wheels on any car. So no change in stopping power."
     
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    +1 Ben...2 seasons of Roadster winter driving...TMC's traction control makes the Roadster better than most FWD & RWD vehicles I've driven through the winter...

     

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