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Diagnostic Port Index

Discussion in 'Model S' started by Krash, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. Krash

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    #1 Krash, Sep 23, 2017
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    There is great technical information on the diagnostic port (TDC - Tesla Diagnostic Connector) in the forum but as I found it difficult to find in the different threads, I started an index. Please comment with corrections or additions.

    Why access it?
    To access more, more granular and higher frequency car diagnostic information that can be obtained by the apps that use the online Tesla APIs. Motor torque for example. Or battery temperatures.
    Where is it?
    On the roadster?

    On the S and X between the front screen and the cubby. Pull the front of the cubby down to access. Don't pull the cubby out (just down) on the older cars or it is hard to reinstall.

    On the Model 3 there is a white 5 pin connector underneath the left dashboard. (Will it still be located on the left for right hand drive cars?) This port is either encrypted or locked. The most easily accessible location for diagnostics appears to be inside the rear panel of the center cubby as documented by FleetCarma here.​

    Change in Connector

    The S and X connector changed physical connectors on Sept 2015. (What approximate VIN is that?)

    If the front Model 3 connector is the connector previously mentioned, Jack Rickard believes that connector runs BroadR-Reach Ethernet physical layer over unshielded single twisted pair cable at 33.3 Mbps with the CAN data hidden inside. But that port does not light up the RAD-Moon BroadR switch and some insiders report it is not BroadR, but rather encrypted and/or locked CAN. JWardell confirms that the signal from this wire does not look like CANBus signals on the S\X.

    The cubby model 3 connector is currently undocumented but carries traditional CANBus.​

    Is it software locked or encrypted?
    Original Roadsters are all accessible. Model S/X cars built prior to spring 2018 (MCU1/CID1) are also currently accessible as of late 2018 firmware v9.

    The Model 3 diagnostic port appears to be locked or encrypted. Also, Tesla stopped supporting the Model 3 performance data in the online API prior to the AWD release, hence the difficulty in obtaining performance data better than crude dynamometer readings.

    Also, Model S/X cars built after spring 2018 (MCU2/CID2) may encrypt or lock the port like the Model 3, so even though the connectors look like the currently accessible connectors from pre-spring 2018 S/X cars, the connectors on MCU2 cars may not be currently accessible.
    HARDWARE
    Adapter Cables

    Sellers
    in US
    Chris TX
    Old
    New
    Maxwelltech
    New
    Model 3 Cubby FleetCarma Tesla Model 3 Vehicle Interface Cable (May not be available separately from FleetCarma C2 device​
    in Norway: petersv
    Fasttech Roadster
    Adapter Pinout
    The community is creating the standard, several groups are using a four wire connector, but garygid is also using this more advanced ten wire pinout.
    Diagnostic Connector and Housing Part Numbers
    Connector
    Roadster and pre Sept 15 S
    Male Connector
    Male Connector Pins
    Mouser: AMP 173630-1 (minimum 4000)
    Mouser: AMP 173630-6 (minimum 1000, Is this the same as -1?)
    Online Components via Octopart
    Model X and post Sept 15 S
    Female Connector
    Sumitomo 6098-5622 - 自動車用部品:Sumitomo Wiring Systems, Ltd
    Sellers
    The Plug Dealer (White) - Listed as $4.45 in stock
    The Plug Dealer (Blue)
    Unresponsive to minimum order quantity and spec sheet request​
    Q Components | Part Search
    Quoted 115 minimum order quantity at $1.75 USD on 25 September 2017
    Female Connector Pins
    0.64mm minimum two, maximum sixteen per connector
    8240-0182, 8240-0338, 8100-3624, 8100-3628, 8100-3625, 8100-3629
    Seller
    The Plug Dealer part 6874 - $0.34 USD - Tin
    The Plug Dealer part 6875 - $1.58 USD - Gold
    1.5mm minimum two, maximum four per connector
    8240-0279, 8240-0215, 8240-0213, 8240-0214, 8240-0339
    Seller - The Plug Dealer part 5597 - $0.30 - Tin
    Model 3
    Exposed Under Dash Connector - Assumed software locked
    Sumitomo 6098-3810 TS series
    自動車用部品:Sumitomo Wiring Systems, Ltd
    Female Connector
    6098-3810 $4 (2 unit minimum) $10 shipping​
    Female Pins for Female Connector
    1.5mm x 15mm
    8100-3625 $0.25 (50 minimum) $10 shipping
    8240-0182, 8240-0338, 8100-3624, 8100-3628 (also listed, difference?)​
    (pre Jan 2019) Hidden Rear Console CANBus tap point splice
    Female Housing
    6098-5622 TS series 20 way​
    Female Pins
    8100-3624 TS series female pin 0.22-0.35mm2 wire (need 16)
    8240-0214 TS series female pin 2.0mm2 wire (need 4)​
    Male Housing
    6098-5613 TS series 20 way male housing​
    Male Pins
    8100-3622 TS series male pin 0.22-0.35mm2 wire (need 16)
    8230-4923 TS series male pin 2.0mm2 wire (need 4)​
    unverified and hard to source

    Vehicle Housing Part Numbers
    Roadster and pre Sept 15 S - Tesla Part X437
    Female Housing
    Female Housing Pins
    Mouser: AMP 173645-1 (minimum 3000)
    Model X and post Sept 15 S - Tesla Part X437A
    Male Housing
    Sumitomo 6098-5613 (Sumitomo listed pair for 6098-5622)
    Sumitomo 6098-5620 (service.teslamotors.com listed)
    Sumitomo 6098-5629 (appleguru referenced part)
    Male Housing Pins
    Sumitomo 8100-3622 (0.64mm (025))
    Seller
    The Plug Dealer part 6872 - $0.21 USD - Tin
    The Plug Dealer part 5949 - $0.32 USD - Gold​
    Sumitomo 8230-4923 (1.5mm (060))
    Seller - The Plug Dealer - no stock​
    Model 3
    Exposed Under Dash Connector - Assumed software locked
    Male Housing
    Sumitomo 6098-3802 TS series
    Male Housing Pins
    0.64mm x 22.3mm
    Hidden Rear Console CANBus tap point splice (see connectors above)​

    ELM ODB2 Modules


    ELM ODB2 Module Alternatives

    apacheguy Raspberry Pi
    Obrien28 Beaglebone Black
    CANtact
    EvTV
    Tesla EDR Kit - Crash Data Group
    TPEAK
    Hardware: PEAK-System (TPEAK not specifically listed)
    TIV-144: In-vehicle cable for Tesla Model S and Model X
    TIV-145: In-vehicle cable for Tesla Model S (legacy)
    TIV-996: In-vehicle cable for Tesla Model 3​
    appleguru and Kalud Custom USB and WiFi Controller
    Gesteur Arduino UNO and MCP2515
    FleetCarma C2
    Connector Alternatives

    BroadR (OABR), unconfirmed diagnostics protocol for Model 3

    BroadR-Reach | MikroElektronika ($70 but requires embedded platform)
    FibreCode - USB OABR/BroadR-Reach/100Base-T1 Stick Raw ($200 USB for Windows and Linux)
    RAD-Moon ($350 converter to ethernet)
    dSPACE MicroAutoBox, PCIe BroadR ethernet cards and other products.
    see TPEAK above​

    SOFTWARE

    Unanswered Questions
    Can multiple diagnostic connectors be used at the same time on a splitter? If so which?
    How long of an extension and\or splitter can be used reliably?
    Will Tesla disable the diagnostic port like they disabled the collocated Ethernet port?
    Sources and other Relevant Threads
     
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  2. petersv

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    Great writeup
     
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    Yes totally awesome. If I could nitpick: The real diagnostic port is actually the smaller Roseberger connector next to the chunky CAN port. Well, I guess theyre both diag
     
  4. MichaelS

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    Thank you for putting all that great information together.
     
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    This should be a sticky note in both the S and X sections.
    Great work.
     
  6. petergrub

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    I assume you are referring to the CAN buses on the the diagnostic connector. You can build a 4-way breakout cable that Tesla uses on the Roadsters and for the early Model Ss too.

    It connects to the diagnostic connector and splits the four buses out to separate DB9 connectors.

    Per the information at this National Instruments link, and information from several other websites, the maximum length should not exceed about .3m or 1ft. I regularly use a breakout cable about 2ft in length without issues. I also didn't take into account the length of the tee'd off section of wiring form the behind the cable. The Roadster diagnostic cable directly splices into the CAN bus cables, while the Model S and X tee from behind the center display.
     
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    Can you get power from the ODB port ? 2015 S85 RHD
     
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    Yes, but keep in mind that it's fused for 5A
     
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    Thank you for the response Peter. Do you know if you can get 12 volts from it?
    Appreciate your help.
     
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    Yes. I measured 12V between pins 1 and 20 while the vehicle was in standby.
     
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    You're better off getting a PEAK PCAN-USB or similar CAN-USB interface dongle and accompanying software like PCAN Explorer or CANtrace. You could also use the free software, but it's quite limited in terms of logging and decoding frames.

    Decoding CAN frames is not a trivial task.
     
  13. Krash

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    If it really is BroadR-Reach Ethernet physical layer over unshielded single twisted pair cable at 33.3 Mbps with the CAN data hidden inside, there may be not be CAN wires to sniff. You may have to decode CAN from something else.
     
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    If I had more time, I would try Comma.ai's Panda: panda OBD-II Dongle

    It's probably the most capable device at that price point. They have some nice software as well for messages debugging.
     
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    I use the panda on the model s; works very well! I have been slowly decoding some of the messages; lots on the model s at least are actually common between Tesla and other cars (many CAN components are “off the shelf”).
     
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    Cool, do you have your findings somwhere I can take a look, github etc.?
     
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    appleguru/panda
     
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    Anyone still selling these for someone in Europe? I tried contacting everyone but the guy on Panjo gave me a refund and I can't get any replies to e-mails.
     
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    I have some old style cables, and parts for the new sumitomo type.
     

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