After the Xmas update, I thought it might be interesting to get an idea of how many people purchased FSD in the UK and Ireland community...
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Did you buy FSD (Full Self-Driving)?
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I thought it was too expensive and would not ever work in the UK given our roads and traffic...
pdk42
Active Member
Level 5 FSD is coming at the end of the year.
Mark-R
Member
I have bought it (a few days ago). I bought it because I plan to keep my Model 3 several years (probably at least 7 or 8 which has typically been my previous car purchasing history), so it will cost me about £75 a month. Even then, that is quite expensive for the small additional function it currently brings to Autopilot (i.e. lane change following confirmation with the indicator), and summon etc is somewhat crippled at the moment, but might occasionally be useful.
But I hope/expect UK autonomous vehicle regs will change over the next year or so (if Grant Shapps lives up to his promises) and will make Navigate on Autopilot work as intended i.e. drive autonomously on motorways from on ramp to off ramp including navigating junctions without the need to keep confirming lane changes.
Beyond that I’m impressed with what the FSD beta is doing in the States. It clearly still has some way to go, but it looks to be improving with each update. I think non-motorway FSD in the UK will be a much greater challenge, but I’m keen to experience that ‘journey’ first hand. In fact that is really my main motivation for the purchase. Autonomy is a major part of what Tesla are doing, and to get the full Tesla experience I think you need FSD.
But I hope/expect UK autonomous vehicle regs will change over the next year or so (if Grant Shapps lives up to his promises) and will make Navigate on Autopilot work as intended i.e. drive autonomously on motorways from on ramp to off ramp including navigating junctions without the need to keep confirming lane changes.
Beyond that I’m impressed with what the FSD beta is doing in the States. It clearly still has some way to go, but it looks to be improving with each update. I think non-motorway FSD in the UK will be a much greater challenge, but I’m keen to experience that ‘journey’ first hand. In fact that is really my main motivation for the purchase. Autonomy is a major part of what Tesla are doing, and to get the full Tesla experience I think you need FSD.
Nope.
With all the frequent phantom braking, i think FSD is somewhere off.
With all the frequent phantom braking, i think FSD is somewhere off.
I bought the upgrade from EAP in the summer when it was £2,200. Disappointed FSD is still in beta and still only in the US 6 months later but with Tesla I am buying in into the tech vision. I think I’ll get my money back when I eventually trade in - inevitably for another tesla - best car I ever owned.
I have it without any great expectation that autonomous driving is anywhere close, but I don't see it as an all or nothing situation. I think the improvements will be incremental and I want to be a part of that journey.
Not getting FSD is one of the best purchases I’ve never made. It has so little added functionality at the moment I just don’t think it’s worth it. And As I change my car every 3 years it would cost me £189 a month - for what?
I wouldn’t consider buying it until the license was owned by the person, not tied to a car. Mind you, I very much doubt I’ll be getting another Tesla so not really something I’ll have to think about.
I wouldn’t consider buying it until the license was owned by the person, not tied to a car. Mind you, I very much doubt I’ll be getting another Tesla so not really something I’ll have to think about.
I didn’t consider it for a moment. £6800 is a lot of money for half baked software in permanent beta.
MrBadger
Badger out
When Model 3 was first launched, even Autopilot was an option. I probably would not even have bothered with Autopilot. Its the wifes car and she was unlikely to use autopilot so it was really a toy for me.
By the time Model 3 was launched in UK, Autopilot was standard (albeit with a price increase to partially compensate) FSD was a £4800 option. I thought long and hard but in the end came to the conclusion that we had spent enough on the car that we may as well go the full monty. I knew full well what we were getting, and its functional limitations, but not how it behaved.
Part of buying it was to be part of the journey to FSD and the potentially false hope that if there was something physically wrong that prevented the system becoming fully operative then, as there was a free HW2 to HW3 upgrade for FSD owners, the same would hopefully be true for us.
What was never clear was what the end goal of FSD would ever be. But with long term ownership of the vehicle, we would hopefully be in the best position to find out. I never really thought of what capabilities I would like to see, certainly in terms of SAE levels, but I would be disapointed if, in the lifetime of our ownership, I would not be able to summon the car in a car park with it P-ing down with roan and that I could not drive a journey including in traffic in a town, and not have the car do most of the work for me. As for hands on the steering, I hadn't really given it much thought - hands on or off didn't really bother me, so I thought.
The reality was/is quite different. There was quite a bit of expectation based upon huge other peoples publicly expressed experiences. The reality meant a big reality check. Whilst it does do some things very well, it soon became very clear that there were some fundamental omissions in its functionality and reliability/consistency. To be very clear, I'm not talking about its operation in situations where Tesla say not to use its features (which attracts lots of unwarranted criticism), but on Motorways and on/off ramps, the very scenarios where things should be rock solid. A whole host of issues, but the main ones being (1) on/off ramp handling, (2) driver confirmation, aka the nag, (3) auto-lane change behaviour and (4) the risk of phantom braking. 15 months later, #1 remains a problem but has improved, #2 needs a fundamental rethink (potentially in hand) as the Tesla method of torque sensing is not a great way of doing things, #3 is a poor implementation of a UNECE regulation that again, is promised to improve and #4 has only affected me in significant form on a handful of occasions, but thats a handful too many and even though they can be predicted and/or mitigated against, rather detracts from the pleasure of being driven.
What I really like about the package is being part of its evolution. Each release brings change, some positive, some negative. The FSD limited beta is showing what the system should be capable of, which is far in excess of what many people give it credit it for based upon their experiences of using Autopilot/TACC in scenarios specifically warned against by Tesla. But at present, it can only be seen as a best case scenario where in UK at best will take quite some time to materialise even in limited form. imho, FSD beta progress has slowed and we are now in the 20% remaining functionality taking 80% of the time phase. Really looking forward so some of the FSD beta benefits to merge into the wider functionality.
My advice to anyone is to go into it with open eyes and understand what, how and where it is operational. Its a long journey, so if you have a finance package over a limited number of years, factor in that you may not even get to see half the features over the duration of 'ownership'. I couldn't recommend that you sell a kidney for it, or even take finance on it unless you were prepared to see next to nothing for the return, but if you don't mind paying a fairly high entry fee into a bit of an adventure that may or may not work out for you in the end, then I wouldn't talk anyone out of it.
tl;dr FSD is now £2k more than what we originally paid for it. If I was doing it again, would I do things differently? Yes. I would wait to see if EAP (enhanced autopilot) was offered again and see what the forthcoming FSD subscription package offered.
imho.
By the time Model 3 was launched in UK, Autopilot was standard (albeit with a price increase to partially compensate) FSD was a £4800 option. I thought long and hard but in the end came to the conclusion that we had spent enough on the car that we may as well go the full monty. I knew full well what we were getting, and its functional limitations, but not how it behaved.
Part of buying it was to be part of the journey to FSD and the potentially false hope that if there was something physically wrong that prevented the system becoming fully operative then, as there was a free HW2 to HW3 upgrade for FSD owners, the same would hopefully be true for us.
What was never clear was what the end goal of FSD would ever be. But with long term ownership of the vehicle, we would hopefully be in the best position to find out. I never really thought of what capabilities I would like to see, certainly in terms of SAE levels, but I would be disapointed if, in the lifetime of our ownership, I would not be able to summon the car in a car park with it P-ing down with roan and that I could not drive a journey including in traffic in a town, and not have the car do most of the work for me. As for hands on the steering, I hadn't really given it much thought - hands on or off didn't really bother me, so I thought.
The reality was/is quite different. There was quite a bit of expectation based upon huge other peoples publicly expressed experiences. The reality meant a big reality check. Whilst it does do some things very well, it soon became very clear that there were some fundamental omissions in its functionality and reliability/consistency. To be very clear, I'm not talking about its operation in situations where Tesla say not to use its features (which attracts lots of unwarranted criticism), but on Motorways and on/off ramps, the very scenarios where things should be rock solid. A whole host of issues, but the main ones being (1) on/off ramp handling, (2) driver confirmation, aka the nag, (3) auto-lane change behaviour and (4) the risk of phantom braking. 15 months later, #1 remains a problem but has improved, #2 needs a fundamental rethink (potentially in hand) as the Tesla method of torque sensing is not a great way of doing things, #3 is a poor implementation of a UNECE regulation that again, is promised to improve and #4 has only affected me in significant form on a handful of occasions, but thats a handful too many and even though they can be predicted and/or mitigated against, rather detracts from the pleasure of being driven.
What I really like about the package is being part of its evolution. Each release brings change, some positive, some negative. The FSD limited beta is showing what the system should be capable of, which is far in excess of what many people give it credit it for based upon their experiences of using Autopilot/TACC in scenarios specifically warned against by Tesla. But at present, it can only be seen as a best case scenario where in UK at best will take quite some time to materialise even in limited form. imho, FSD beta progress has slowed and we are now in the 20% remaining functionality taking 80% of the time phase. Really looking forward so some of the FSD beta benefits to merge into the wider functionality.
My advice to anyone is to go into it with open eyes and understand what, how and where it is operational. Its a long journey, so if you have a finance package over a limited number of years, factor in that you may not even get to see half the features over the duration of 'ownership'. I couldn't recommend that you sell a kidney for it, or even take finance on it unless you were prepared to see next to nothing for the return, but if you don't mind paying a fairly high entry fee into a bit of an adventure that may or may not work out for you in the end, then I wouldn't talk anyone out of it.
tl;dr FSD is now £2k more than what we originally paid for it. If I was doing it again, would I do things differently? Yes. I would wait to see if EAP (enhanced autopilot) was offered again and see what the forthcoming FSD subscription package offered.
imho.
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I might have been tempted if I thought level 4/5 was achievable with current hardware, but the cameras give up at the first sight of rain
Billbrown1982
TM3 LR 2021 | Red | FSD
I'm going to be ordering my first Model 3 within the next few weeks and I am going for the FSD.
Why? Like many have said because of the adventure and going along for the ride. Also because I plan to keep this car as long as possible, so it makes it more of an investment over time, and being able to spread the payments out across the finance rather than change my mind down the line and have to stump up such a big chunk of cash, wouldn't be great.
I'm also taking a bit of a gamble, with the subscription coming out early this year, it wouldn't surprise me if old Elon did away with the one off purchase at some point and made it a subscription only thing, granted I can't see that happening soon but you never know.
I'm also hoping beyond all hope that he finally gives into pressure and lets FSD travel with the owner rather than the car. He's tweeted that he'd consider it a few times, so there's always hope.
Like I said, i'm rolling the dice and will see how they land.
Why? Like many have said because of the adventure and going along for the ride. Also because I plan to keep this car as long as possible, so it makes it more of an investment over time, and being able to spread the payments out across the finance rather than change my mind down the line and have to stump up such a big chunk of cash, wouldn't be great.
I'm also taking a bit of a gamble, with the subscription coming out early this year, it wouldn't surprise me if old Elon did away with the one off purchase at some point and made it a subscription only thing, granted I can't see that happening soon but you never know.
I'm also hoping beyond all hope that he finally gives into pressure and lets FSD travel with the owner rather than the car. He's tweeted that he'd consider it a few times, so there's always hope.
Like I said, i'm rolling the dice and will see how they land.
Having experienced EAP on my MX for nearly 3 years, along with glacial and sometimes painful progress toward FSD, it was a very easy decision not to buy FSD with our new Model 3. It's simply way too expensive for what it is or even what it actually promises these days (which is not full self driving at all). In short I can think of dozens of more enjoyable or useful ways of spending £7k!
