Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register
This site may earn commission on affiliate links.
More. Daimler is on the hook for cheating.

Autoblog: Daimler may be fined 1 billion euros for diesel cheating.
Daimler may be fined 1 billion euros for Mercedes diesel cheating

FRANKFURT — Prosecutors in Stuttgart, Germany are set to fine Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler between 800 million euros ($895 million) and 1 billion euros ($1.12 billion) for diesel-related violations, German magazine Der Spiegel said in its online edition on Friday.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Brando and mongo
It appears that Volkswagen’s high-profile Dieselgate scandal won’t let go of the veteran German automaker just yet. In a recent decision, a district court in Düsseldorf, Germany has declared that Volkswagen’s software fix for vehicles affected by its Dieselgate emissions cheating scandal that broke in 2015 actually contained another cheating device.

Volkswagen's Dieselgate software fix has another cheat device: German court
 
  • Informative
Reactions: mongo
Volkswagen CEO and chairman charged in Germany over diesel emissions scandal - CNN

London(CNN Business)Volkswagen CEO Herbert Diess and the company's chairman, Hans Dieter Pötsch, were charged by German prosecutors on Tuesday with market manipulation tied to the carmaker's diesel emissions scandal.

The two executives are accused of failing to disclose the huge financial risks of the diesel scandal to shareholders in a timely fashion
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Brando
side note: The Guardian asks for support - oh, the irony
Since you’re here...
... we have a small favour to ask. More people are reading and supporting The Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism than ever before. And unlike many new organisations, we have chosen an approach that allows us to keep our journalism accessible to all, regardless of where they live or what they can afford. But we need your ongoing support to keep working as we do.

The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart.

Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions. Guardian journalism is free from commercial and political bias and not influenced by billionaire owners or shareholders. This means we can give a voice to those less heard, explore where others turn away, and rigorously challenge those in power.

We need your support to keep delivering quality journalism, to maintain our openness and to protect our precious independence. Every reader contribution, big or small, is so valuable. Support The Guardian from as little as $1 – and it only takes a minute. Thank you.

Another story The Guardian "delivering quality journalism" was about the US security state [CIA, NSA +15 other agencies] breaking laws, regulations and even the rights spelled out in the US constitution. The story was exposed by Wikileaks which published the contracts, court orders and other documents exposing this basic corruption [including: Five Eyes - Wikipedia]
And now for over 7 years The Guardian has abandoned Julian Assange. Which is exactly why I have abandoned The Guardian.

Seems the only vote that really counts is how you spend your money. You are voting with your dollars every day.
 
side note: The Guardian asks for support - oh, the irony

Another story The Guardian "delivering quality journalism" was about the US security state [CIA, NSA +15 other agencies] breaking laws, regulations and even the rights spelled out in the US constitution. The story was exposed by Wikileaks which published the contracts, court orders and other documents exposing this basic corruption [including: Five Eyes - Wikipedia]
And now for over 7 years The Guardian has abandoned Julian Assange. Which is exactly why I have abandoned The Guardian.

Seems the only vote that really counts is how you spend your money. You are voting with your dollars every day.
I believe we've had this off-topic discussion before.
Maybe grind your axe somewhere else.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: CSFTN and Brando
VW accused of using 'innovative' defences in high court battle

VW accused of using 'innovative' defences in high court battle

Volkswagen has employed a range of “progressively more innovative” arguments to claim the software fitted to millions of its vehicles is not a defeat device designed to cheat emissions tests, the high court has heard.

But in Europe VW is still denying the software in question was an illegal defeat device – despite German regulators having ruled in 2015 that the software was designed to cheat emissions tests.

Lawyers for the UK customers opened a class action against VW in the high court on Monday.

De la Mare said the vehicles were “optimised to minimise the amount of pollutants” in emissions tests, meaning they operated in a “completely different way in the street to how it operated in the test”.

“It is difficult to think of a more obvious cheat than the one VW used,” he added.
 
De la Mare said the vehicles were

optimised to minimise the amount of pollutants


Well.. if "adjustment" is made, there will be significantly more NOx while there is also significantly less CO2.
So in terms of mass of pollutants... yes. In terms of local health, no. NOx is not good compared to CO2.
 
Everybody's doing it.

Illegal devices that bypass vehicle emissions controls spread across US

Nowadays, defeat devices generally come in “delete kits” with hardware and software to use in tandem. “Tuners”, which plug into a vehicle, install software known as “tunes” that changes how a vehicle’s computer regulates emission levels. Physical devices can be installed in a vehicle’s engine or exhaust system; they include “delete pipes”, hollow tubes that bypass or replace equipment containing sensitive filters.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: mspohr
London the worst city in Europe for health costs from air pollution

Diesel vehicles are one of the main contributors to the damage. In the wake of the Volkswagen emissions cheating scandal in 2015, diesel cars and lorries were found to exceed EU limits for emissions that are the primary source of nitrogen dioxide (NO2). Moreover, diesel models older than the Euro 6 standard generally emit more particulate matter (PM) than other fossil-fuel engines, and also make up the largest share of the European fleet.

NO2, PM and ground-level ozone (O3) – also largely derived from diesel – are responsible for nearly 500,000 premature deaths across Europe every year. Researchers focused on these three contaminants and concluded that PM is responsible for the vast majority of the social costs (82.5% on average), compared with NO2 (15%) and O3 (2.5%).
 


The European Commission has fined Volkswagen Group and BMW $1 billion for colluding with Daimler to hold back the development of technology that could have reduced harmful emissions from their vehicles. In a statement on Thursday, the Commission said the three German carmakers, along with Volkswagen subsidiaries Audi and Porsche, breached EU antitrust rules by agreeing to avoid competing on technical development in the area of nitrogen oxide cleaning.
 


The European Commission has fined Volkswagen Group and BMW $1 billion for colluding with Daimler to hold back the development of technology that could have reduced harmful emissions from their vehicles. In a statement on Thursday, the Commission said the three German carmakers, along with Volkswagen subsidiaries Audi and Porsche, breached EU antitrust rules by agreeing to avoid competing on technical development in the area of nitrogen oxide cleaning.
... and Daimler is not paying a fine because they informed the EU about the scheme that they participated in.
 
  • Funny
Reactions: mspohr