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But, hopefully, this will still include a lot of Model 3 buyers who aren't necessarily in the income levels of current Tesla owners; that is, assuming funding for this incentive will still be available when the 3 comes out.It's back, but with a new revised lowered income cap/means test. Now its something like $300,000 for a couple/$150,000 single filer. Will probably eliminate a lot of Tesla buyers.
It's back, but with a new revised lowered income cap/means test. Now its something like $300,000 for a couple/$150,000 single filer. Will probably eliminate a lot of Tesla buyers.
From my perspective the goal of the rebate (which is funded by polluters FYI) is to offset as much of the green house gases as possible, as quickly as possible. So, does it matter what the income bracket is of the company doing it? I don't think so. In fact, if we are going to start to put all sorts of qualifiers on the rebate then it should go to the people that will bring the largest benefit to society as a whole. That'd be the people that use their cars the most and burn the most fossil fuel by the nature of what they do (even a Prius driver can only limit his/her emissions so much), not what they earn. So the guy or gal that has a 100 mile commute each day should get the biggest rebate and the person that works from home (like me) should get no rebate or very small. Taxi fleets, cop cars, highway patrol etc should get a huge rebate. I don't see this as an income issue in the least bit but I know the politicians do. Just because someone that makes >$150K gets the same rebate as someone making $50K has no effect on anything other than two people trying to reduce their emissions be it through a $25k leaf or a $145K P100DL.Some of use do know how to save up for stuff we want. If you make more than 150k, why would you needed government help to buy an expensive EV?
Nope, buying EV is not mandatory and there are limited funds. Giving it to people that want to buy 100k+ EV is not helping. Giving it to people that already have more than enough money to buy one, let alone a cheaper one is not helping. And people with long commutes are already getting artificial hand outs and we don't need to encourage more of them. Even if all the cars, trucks, vans, taxes and so on were EVs, congestion is still a problem. We don't need more people driving further which, is going to be a whole nother problem if EVs and autonomous cars get as good and cheap as it appears they're going to. One problem at a time though I guess. Less noise and pollution but it will take 3 hours to get anywhere because even more people will want to live 50+ miles away from where they work and can now nap, read or eat in their cheap autonomous car. Maybe...From my perspective the goal of the rebate (which is funded by polluters FYI) is to offset as much of the green house gases as possible, as quickly as possible. So, does it matter what the income bracket is of the company doing it? I don't think so. In fact, if we are going to start to put all sorts of qualifiers on the rebate then it should go to the people that will bring the largest benefit to society as a whole. That'd be the people that use their cars the most and burn the most fossil fuel by the nature of what they do (even a Prius driver can only limit his/her emissions so much), not what they earn. So the guy or gal that has a 100 mile commute each day should get the biggest rebate and the person that works from home (like me) should get no rebate or very small. Taxi fleets, cop cars, highway patrol etc should get a huge rebate. I don't see this as an income issue in the least bit but I know the politicians do. Just because someone that makes >$150K gets the same rebate as someone making $50K has no effect on anything other than two people trying to reduce their emissions be it through a $25k leaf or a $145K P100DL.
Nope, buying EV is not mandatory and there are limited funds. Giving it to people that want to buy 100k+ EV is not helping. Giving it to people that already have more than enough money to buy one, let alone a cheaper one is not helping. And people with long commutes are already getting artificial hand outs and we don't need to encourage more of them. Even if all the cars, trucks, vans, taxes and so on were EVs, congestion is still a problem. We don't need more people driving further which, is going to be a whole nother problem if EVs and autonomous cars get as good and cheap as it appears they're going to. One problem at a time though I guess. Less noise and pollution but it will take 3 hours to get anywhere because even more people will want to live 50+ miles away from where they work and can now nap, read or eat in their cheap autonomous car. Maybe...
Here's my question for the sake of the discussion. Guy in LA buys a new Ferrari that gets 14 MPG, he pays the $5500 Gas Guzzler tax. Now that money is to be used to offset the crap his V12 spits out the tailpipe. First question, where should it be spent (BEV rebates, trains, buses, LED bulb rebates, carpooling incentives, planting trees) and second question, who has the right to utilize the money on ANY of those ideas? If I buy an LED bulb at Costco with a $9 rebate and the person checking me out says "what's your income sir, you may not qualify and we have to wait for someone with a low income to come along and buy this bulb..." How does that help the fact that the Ferrari is fueling up at the pump while Costco is reviewing my 1099s? If it it's a bus and I go to get on the bus and they say "hey, u look like like u make over $150K, get off the bus, you can afford to drive with all your money!" One (income) has nothing to do with the other (carbon offset).Nope, buying EV is not mandatory and there are limited funds. Giving it to people that want to buy 100k+ EV is not helping. Giving it to people that already have more than enough money to buy one, let alone a cheaper one is not helping. And people with long commutes are already getting artificial hand outs and we don't need to encourage more of them. Even if all the cars, trucks, vans, taxes and so on were EVs, congestion is still a problem. We don't need more people driving further which, is going to be a whole nother problem if EVs and autonomous cars get as good and cheap as it appears they're going to. One problem at a time though I guess. Less noise and pollution but it will take 3 hours to get anywhere because even more people will want to live 50+ miles away from where they work and can now nap, read or eat in their cheap autonomous car. Maybe...
You think the government is "giving" me $2500? I pay more than that per week in taxes, as do many here. The Government produces nothing and can therefore give nothing. All they do is take from one to give to another.Some of use do know how to save up for stuff we want. If you make more than 150k, why would you needed government help to buy an expensive EV?
You think the government is "giving" me $2500? I pay more than that per week in taxes, as do many here.
The Government produces nothing and can therefore give nothing. All they do is take from one to give to another.
No, not hybrids. We could have done full EVs a long time ago.So give it to the people that get 15 EV miles in their hybrid and keep burning gas???
You're going just a little over-the-top there. It should be done where it makes sense. Incentivizing cheap LED light bulbs for the masses, yes who cares. Giving $2,500 from a limited fund to someone who wants to buy a $100,000 car, who most likely would have bought it anyway, doesn't make a lot of sense. It's not a big deal to look at someone who's making a very large purchase and see if they need some help making it or not. It's like trying to smog every ICE on the road vs going all electric and then focusing on power plants.Here's my question for the sake of the discussion. Guy in LA buys a new Ferrari that gets 14 MPG, he pays the $5500 Gas Guzzler tax. Now that money is to be used to offset the crap his V12 spits out the tailpipe. First question, where should it be spent (BEV rebates, trains, buses, LED bulb rebates, carpooling incentives, planting trees) and second question, who has the right to utilize the money on ANY of those ideas? If I buy an LED bulb at Costco with a $9 rebate and the person checking me out says "what's your income sir, you may not qualify and we have to wait for someone with a low income to come along and buy this bulb..." How does that help the fact that the Ferrari is fueling up at the pump while Costco is reviewing my 1099s? If it it's a bus and I go to get on the bus and they say "hey, u look like like u make over $150K, get off the bus, you can afford to drive with all your money!" One (income) has nothing to do with the other (carbon offset).
There is an odd thing going on in this country about vilifying people that make $X dollars a year that distracts from the end goal. I don't understand it. It's a scarcity mentality like my kids at dinner. daughter "hey! you ate more than your share of the pizza" son 'You said you were full and felt like throwing up.". Daughter "yea well that doesn't matter, you ate my piece of pizza!".
Yes that is exactly what they are doing. You don't even have to have paid any taxes to get the $2,500, it's not a tax deduction or credit.You think the government is "giving" me $2500? I pay more than that per week in taxes, as do many here. The Government produces nothing and can therefore give nothing. All they do is take from one to give to another.
You didn't answer the questions...WHERE should the money go? WHO should QUALIFY for your programs?You're going just a little over-the-top there. It should be done where it makes sense. Incentivizing cheap LED light bulbs for the masses, yes who cares. Giving $2,500 from a limited fund to someone who wants to buy a $100,000 car, who most likely would have bought it anyway, doesn't make a lot of sense. It's not a big deal to look at someone who's making a very large purchase and see if they need some help making it or not. It's like trying to smog every ICE on the road vs going all electric and then focusing on power plants.