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"Moreover, the floor-mounted battery pack is designed to be changed out in less time than it takes to fill a gas tank, allowing for the possibility of battery-pack swap stations."

...and also allowing for the possibilty of creating a new crime phenomena for the twenty-first century; battery pack theft. :biggrin:

Initially this would only be of value to second-hand Model S owners with questionable morals.

Maybe the Battery pack will have some form of electronic code transfer so that it will only work in its registered vehicle.
 
...and also allowing for the possibilty of creating a new crime phenomena for the twenty-first century; battery pack theft. :biggrin:

Maybe the Battery pack will have some form of electronic code transfer so that it will only work in its registered vehicle.

Good point! There'll likely be a series of anti-theft provisions:

1) The sheer weight of the pack.
2) Special tools required to access the battery compartment.
3) Lockable access ports on the car.
4) Electronic codes (as you mention).
5) GPS tracking systems.
6) Others?

In the end, it may well be easier to steal the car than steal the pack.
 
I know Doug will report this but a few details.

4 cars

Clay/foam version
Second stage covered with mylar sheeting that looks like paint - gray with chrome grill, no interior
Pearl/metallic white roller with black grill no interior
Sliver working prototype

No kids seats available that night
Never saw the front hood open

Lights on are very cool but could turn some off with it's decidedly Tron look.
 
I don't really get what I'm looking at... Is that the battery in the center there?

I thought the battery was floor mounted?? Or floor mounted with a swappable battery as well?? :confused:

I think obviously they haven't worked out the actual details yet. I don't think they have even made the floor mounted battery yet (if they had then they would have shown an example). Right now it looks like the drivable prototype just has a Roadster battery mounted up front.

Here's the most detail I have heard on the battery pack for those wondering at least what they plan to do.

The battery pack is laid out along the floorboard of the car, and the motor and electronics module sit between the rear wheels, creating a large, open interior.
First Look at Tesla's Stunning Model S | Autopia from Wired.com
 
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Any pictures / reports from last night's party for Roadster owners?
The responses are getting split up over several threads - see here
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/news-articles-events/2469-story-model-s-reveal.html

what esle do you want to know ?
I dont go to many things like this but -
The food was good, the wine was ok. The in color is still black.
The music was 70's 80's until after the model S arrived then it went techno.
I counted 20 Roadsters parked outside.
My date was most excited as aparently you could see a rocket en route to the womens restroom.
You've read about the car elsewhere. (For what its worth the appearance exheeded my expectations).
To give the pictures some context one of the speakers put the size as between the BMW 5 and 7 series.
 
Is Doug still in LA?

Yes, Doug is still in LA. Doug is exhausted. I have a ton of pics, videos, and audio files that I'll eventually get to uploading. I'll probably have an easier time of it after I get home. The audio is probably the most interesting, but it's also the most time consuming since it needs to be converted and edited.

Did EVcast by phone this morning. Unfortunately, I can't say it was a very good show. Those guys need to learn more about EVs. Obviously the big news is the Model S, but they had already scheduled an interview this morning with this guy from a lead acid battery company. <yawn>

I was literally dozing off waiting for that interview (20 something minutes!!) to end. When they got to my segment (starting at 28:40), you can tell that I'm tired since my "uhhh" and "you know" count is likely higher than normal. Then the rest of the show they spent complaining about misleading marketing (300 miles, $49K* base price). That's something we've been over on the forum a good few times before, and on the show it got old pretty quick.

At the end they tacked on an interview that I recorded with JB at the Model S media event. That's worth a listen (at 1:04:25). JB is interesting as always and since I was good about when I started and stopped my recorder, that file didn't really need editing. Keep in mind that I'm not a journalist or whatever, so it is what it is. :redface:
EVcast #206: Interview with Thomas Granville, CEO of Axion Power

Anyone know a good resource for hosting audio files?

I'll do a more comprehensive write up after I've had more rest. :smile:
 
Doug came through on my turn signals request:
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Very cool "whisker" of curved light. I have been waiting for cars to start doing it this way!

Rear running lights and brake lights (all appear to be LED):
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I wonder what the rear turn signals look like? Are they the arrow points on the silver strip?

The logo on the front quarter panels lights up too:
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Did EVcast by phone this morning. Unfortunately, I can't say it was a very good show. Those guys need to learn more about EVs.

Doug - ya did great! Yeah, you do sound beat! And yes... our friends Bo and Ryan do need to get on the program :rolleyes: Thanks for all your work!

ps. can't believe you told the EVcast folks about Chesea's listen-in!
 
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...they wouldn't let us lift the hood of the drivable prototype since there was "unfinished business" under there....

Um, it looks to me like the silver car is in fact using a Mercedes chassis... Look at the ABS and the coolant reservoir on this:
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Tesla Model S Sedan Concept: First Official Pictures!
...in order to get a new chassis on the road, they'll need much more capital than what they've already asked for to do the necessary safety testing and durability testing. So it has to be another automaker's chassis. But which one? Even without details there's a lot we can learn from these pictures. For starters, Tesla already has a deal worked out with Mercedes for providing electric drives for a small batch of Smart cars. Assuming they continue that relationship with Mercedes, and given the wheels, for instance, appear to be a version of this Lorinser wheel and seems to carry the 5-112 bolt pattern, means if it's a Mercedes, it's likely based on a Mercedes C, E, or CLS chassis...
Tesla Model S: More Concept Car Than Prototype | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line
...Yes, that's right, concept car. We think it's a more accurate name for the Tesla Model S. It sounds a little confusing given how the company described the car that was unveiled yesterday, but after digging a little deeper, there's more style than substance to the Model S.
Much of our skepticism is based on the fact that the guts of the car have yet to be determined. Despite various reports that said Tesla was developing its own chassis, we got a much different story from Mike Donoughe, Tesla's Vice President of Engineering and Manufacturing. "We're still talking with a few manufacturers about using a preexisting architecture. It makes sense to save money in that area," Donoughe told us....
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Although...
Road & Track Magazine - Just Unveiled! 2012 Tesla Model S (3/2009)
...a 5-door chassis designed and built solely by Tesla and capable of carrying up to seven passengers...
Speed:Sport:Life » Tesla Model S Concept Debuts
...Tesla designed the chassis in house...
So, which is it?

Shocking: Tesla unveils its Model S electric sedan: Consumer Reports Cars Blog
...There is no word on whether the Tesla S is based on an existing car platform from another automaker, though some have speculated it could be based on a Mercedes-Benz E-Class chassis...
Core77.com :: View topic - Tesla Model S - pretty nice
...Rumour is that the chassis is either a Mercedes C or E class...
 
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Media Event

Ok... been pretty tied up lately. Finally getting around to post something.
So the specs and such are out, I'll just fill in a few details about my experience, including links to some media.

I arrived at SpaceX around 11:30am and security seemed pretty tight. There were several guards at the gate and as I pulled up, a somewhat abrasive one asked me if I was with the media. I of course replied yes since that was my role for the next few hours. He then asked to see my press credentials. ...uuuhhhhhh…
"Don’t you have press credentials?"
"Um..., I don't know."
"You don't know if you have press credentials or not?!" He wanted to see some kind of press badge. I showed him a print out of my media invite and my driver's license.
"My name is Doug King, I'm here representing EVcast..." Fortunately I had worn that ridiculous shirt. I was hoping he realized that amateur podcasters/bloggers aren't typically credentialed. "I'm supposed to be on some sort of list???"
"Well I don't see any Doug King on the list."
This went on a little bit longer... me stammering and the security guy incredulously questioning the veracity of my statements, looking at me like I had no business being there. Then, like an angel, another person from behind him (perhaps a Tesla employee??) said, "He's ok, let him through." It was like saying heal to an attack dog. There was an instant change in demeanor and the security fellow said, “Go right through, sir.” -- Relief.

I drove past the group of media personnel who were already lined up outside the curtained entrance of the huge building. There were a few curious stares since I rode up in a little blue convertible (poor-man’s) sports car rather than a news van. I purposefully parked near the back of the lot.

Out in front were VP24 (Arctic White) and VP28 (Very Orange with black power coated wheels and sport tires) and the growing crowd of media folks. Also on hand were a bunch of familiar Tesla employees as well as some notable customers who were invited to be on hand to talk to the media (hear them on NPR here: Tesla Rolls Out Electric Sedan For Less Than $50K : NPR).

You could feel the anticipation building as we all waited to enter. After several reassurances that the finale touches were being put in place, we finally got to go in about 12:20pm. Media folks quickly set up around the two covered cars roped off in the center of the room, jockeying for position, particularly in front of the grill. Some friendly Tesla people tipped me off to the two ignored covered cars (at the side of the room) and the direction Elon would be facing when he came out.

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The space they had curtained off for the event was quite large and was very nicely set up. Besides the four covered Model S (err…) models, there was the Smart EV with Tesla drive train, VP26, and the ‘extruded Al chassis with wheels’ that has been making the rounds in the auto show circuit. Looming above and behind the curtains were various rocket parts that you could sneak a better peak at on the way to the bathroom.

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After a short while Elon came out and started talking about the Model S. (I haven’t been online much to read the news reports, but I think there should be video out.) Then Franz came out and without saying much of anything, he pulled the sheet off the car, and started to discuss the design. First impressions are that the car just looks great. Nice lines, modern looking without being overboard. (No Karma butter face here.) When Franz finished there was a bit of a free-for-all Q&A with Elon. (I have complete unedited audio of that here (38:30, 8.9MB). Some parts are easier to hear than others.)

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Rachel brought the Q&A to a close after an appropriate amount of time and announced that after 10 minutes Elon would drive the car around for pics and video. This was to let the press know they’d get plenty of time to set up and didn’t have to rush. But, of course, as soon as she said that, Elon and Franz immediately got in the drivable prototype and silently rode off. Everyone scrambled. =P

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Chris Paine and his film crew were an interesting constant presence. Sometimes they blended in with the rest of the media (filming the car, doing interviews, etc), but other times they stood out quite a bit since they’d be in a position to cover the coverage.

After driving around for a bit, Elon and Franz came back and answered more questions in smaller groups. Here’s some unedited audio of Franz (22:50, 5.3MB). I also recorded brief one-on-one interviews with JB (7:00, 1.6MB) and Diarmuid (3:18, 3.1MB).
 
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The Party

I left and came back for the party, which started around 7pm. I won’t do a play by play here, because the whole thing is a bit of a blur. Here’s some stuff I remember:

Had a nice chat with Bill Nye and Chelsea Sexton. Bill and I are both Cornell alums and we tried to sing the alma mater, but I could only remember the “alternate” lyrics. Far above Cayuga’s waters, there’s an awful smell… They were both really pleasant and fun people to be around.

The re-unveiling of the Model S:

Met Emile Bouret of OnCars.com. We spoke about his thrashing of P1 and the mystery of the missing L. Apparently he and Franz went to the same design school. Emile really likes the Model S, but did say he had a few design nit-picks to rib Franz about. We also talked about the Fisker Karma, the design of which he didn’t like at all. But then his new co-host showed up and she’s a Fisker fangirl, so things got funny after that.

Drank a beer with Mike Donoughe (VP of Manufacturing). We mostly made social small-talk, but he did confirm that the Model S plant would be in SoCal.

Met Steve Jurvetson! Steve is an amazingly sharp guy, and has a finger in basically everything that is new and cool technologically. (Listen, for example, to the presentation he gave at the Singularity Summit back in 2007, if you’re into that sort of thing.) I ran into him while checking out this tricked out Roadster in the parking lot. We had a really interesting conversation (to me anyway) on a variety of topics, including his ride in the Model S, which by the way kept distracting us as it drove by (he’s getting the first one). After a while, it occurred to me that I should record our conversation. So with his permission, I did manage to capture some of it. Here (7:35, 7MB) is a clip that was relevant to the Model S. Franz stops by at the end.


Ahnold showed up!
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Got to ride in the Model S:

Got an escorted walk through SpaceX on the way to my car. That place is pretty awesome. (Sorry no photos!!)

(Towards the end of the evening.)
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I have to say the whole day's events were extremely well done and I saw a lot of Tesla employees working very hard to keep everything running smoothly. They did a fantastic job and I really appreciate having had the opportunity to participate.

More photos in my Flickr: Tesla Model S Unveiling - a set on Flickr
 
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Doug - ya did great! Yeah, you do sound beat! And yes... our friends Bo and Ryan do need to get on the program :rolleyes: Thanks for all your work!

ps. can't believe you told the EVcast folks about Chesea's listen-in!
Thanks, Darell. In general, Bo is a bit cynical about Tesla and he does have a Karma on order...

Yeah, hopefully Chelsea isn't too upset with me about that. :redface: Honestly, it sounded like the kind of thing they would be interested in, given that the only question they prepared me with for the trip had to do with Elon's footwear. The fact that all they talked about for the next 5 minutes was Chelsea's listen-in, further pushes the point.

ETA: My point being that they often are more interested in the jokes than the substance.
 
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