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Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by freeAgent, Feb 5, 2021.

  1. freeAgent

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    Auto lane change is not perfect either. For example, on a 3 lane road and you are in the left and want to change lanes into the middle lane, but a truck is in the right lane, AP will fail changing lanes. It will go in half way and swerve back.

    NoAP also bothers me a lot because it will take me out of carpool lanes for no reason. Does it at the same spot like it's using outdated maps or bad fleet data.

    NoAP also likes to dive behind a slower car when changing lanes rather than going in front of it. It's so dangerous going 75 from the carpool lane to the right where cars are doing 80 down to 55mph as the car try to make 4 lanes changes to get off the freeway. As a human, you can do that pretty smoothly by swooping ahead, but NoAP slows way down to duck behind a car while faster Cars are now tailgating you in the passing lane.

    I think it's either get FSD when it's ready or just keep basic AP. FSD will get better. EAP will be stuck where it is.
     
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  3. MrTuna

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    did this very thing today on AP and it worked great. It’s not this black and white between working and not working...
     
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    It works, but there will be situations where it doesn't work. It happens often so you will run into it soon.

    Test it yourself. The big rig truck with trailer is coming up faster than you on the right. The car wants to get into the middle lane but then sees the trucking coming at the last second (even though it's in the other lane) then it freaks out.

    Maybe latest firmware fixed it. I don't need to commute to work so not in packed traffic with semis anymore.
     
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    Sure. The most important thing is that it fails safe not crash. If it doesn't move to a middle lane quite as fast as it could.. but doesn't change lanes say into a truck, that is a fine tradeoff. You don't HAVE to drive 100% aggressive to be safe.
     
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    The problem I have with the errors that AP and FSD make is that even when they are not directly causing an accident, their behavior can sometimes confuse other drivers on the road who may react or not react in a way that causes an accident. Sudden lane change reversals, slowing down quickly without reason, etc. are all behaviors that can cause accidents because other vehicles on the road may not react well to them. All that being said, humans also do many of these sorts of things (though I like to think I personally do them much less frequently than my Tesla in the same situations) and I'm sure Tesla will continue to improve.
     
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    I agree, but looks bad to other drivers around me. It scares them too. Good thing is they'll soon keep a safe distance from me later. This is also true with phantom braking. It needs to slow down to double check a shadow or an overpass but scares people behind be and myself when it does it.

    Overall, AP is great (free) and the rest for NoAP is not worth the $5k unless you go full in for FSD which will get better over time.
     
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