SammichLover
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Drive about an hour South and it does.Maybe in the next year FSD can stop at traffic lights.
Any word on where it is regulation wise in Canada?
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Drive about an hour South and it does.Maybe in the next year FSD can stop at traffic lights.
You can get a refund if you request it within 48hrsI tried to get a FSD refund. I didn't get anywhere. Good luck.
I just requested a refund on my fsd today. There is no way we will see robo taxi Teslas in NY. We don't allow anything here. We don't even allow turo.
I bought fsd and used it for the past two days. I drove about 140miles. My conclusion is that it doesn't really help with anything.
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From your words, one gets the idea that you're not a Tesla fan, and my first thought is to tell you to sell your car because you'll never appreciate it for what it is - warts and all.
This is NOT the first, nor even the tenth thread where people are complaining about FSD. It would be nice to have a forum that could be searched so that someone could read others' comments and not repeat the same things....
On the other hand, P3dStealth, you come from New York, a state which is not as electric car friendly as others. Tesla has had mighty battles with the government over whether they can even SELL cars in the state without a 'dealer network'. And your viewpoint regarding the likelihood that a form of self-driving will be allowed makes me think that not much has changed in the six years since I was there.
As a retired IT guy, I want you to consider the astounding odds faced by Tesla programmers. It's easy for you to drive the car because you have a supercomputer between your ears, eyes that have a wide view of things in front of you, a huge cache of objects you identify instantly, reflexes that will permit you to operate controls semi-automatically, and so on. The task of the programmers is to figure out how to take Artificial Intelligence (AI) and train it to be able to do what you do - or at least close. In some regards, those AI programmers have to stop after the basics are in place and release the software into the wild, then gather more information from the real world experiences before going forward. That's 'BETA', and the information comes in in waves. Then, the AI programmers will figure out how to train the car to do the things it does more naturally. Autosteer is a good example: it was pretty blocky when released, but has smoothed out to get really close to what we do naturally. NOA is going through the same expansion. There are videos showing it working perfectly, changing freeways at the right intersection, exiting from them and driving in town, then parking. Under the right circumstances, everything needed to do this - for the route chosen - is already programmed. And every time you get an upgrade, you'll notice that there's also some bug fixes, taking care of the flaws or perceived flaws in the existing programs or adding sophistication to a long-standing feature, like Autosteer. Give the new release time to collect the information needed to improve and digest it. I think recognizing traffic controls and stopping at lights and signs is really basic, and annoying, because the software will stop at EVERY control point, whether you see it or not. It's a pain to drive around town and eel the car slowing down for a green light, then have to tap the accelerator or flip the stalk. But it will get there. Give it six months or so.
Enough rambllng from me.
I just requested a refund on my fsd today. There is no way we will see robo taxi Teslas in NY. We don't allow anything here. We don't even allow turo.
I bought fsd and used it for the past two days. I drove about 140miles. My conclusion is that it doesn't really help with anything.
Autopilot is great but we already have that
Nav on auto pilot meh it required help merging multiple times. It almost stops on the highway trying to merge. It also missed an exit almost I had to take over. It's amazing but def a beta.
Lane changes are impressive that it does that when you ask but its really not that hard to do myself. Not worth 7 or 8k
Speed based lane changes are bad. It doesn't make good decisions. You are better off not using it.
Summon is flat out horrible. It's hilariously bad at routing. It's crazy slow. Get ready to watch your car drive all over the parking lot. Randomly hits the brakes hard over and over. Again your better off not using it. It's scary to use.
Auto park works but it's so slow I would just park myself. Perpendicular parking you need a car on each side which is meh. For some reason it parks sideways sometimes in spots or randomly gives up and says unavailable half way in.
Parallel parking works good actually but I cant justify 7 or 8k for that. I had a rental Prius that parallel parked itself just as good. This should be standard on a car like this.
Lastly stopping at traffic signals. Its not a feature it's a hindrance while driving. Really makes the driving experience annoying because it stops at everything even green lights. You have to keep hitting the gas or confirm stalk. The car will randomly slow before you hit it. It will also randomly think things are traffic lights. Bridges and overhead objects. While it's amazing the car doesn't run reds, it creates a bad driving experience. Your passengers will complain.
Conclusion I requested the refund and if there is some amazing update that makes it worth 8k in the next year I will think about it then.
It has to make my life easier though not harder.
Side note I love the model 3 but FSD is overpriced as it is. When this becomes worth using in 3-5 years there will be a lot of competition and much cooler cars. There may even be a new model 3.
I'm not surprised by your experience and opinion on the matter. Hopefully they will give you a refund. Tesla needs to be upfront about how far away their FSD really is from implemented. By the time they deliver what they promise They will have raised the price to over 20 grand.I just requested a refund on my fsd today. There is no way we will see robo taxi Teslas in NY. We don't allow anything here. We don't even allow turo.
I bought fsd and used it for the past two days. I drove about 140miles. My conclusion is that it doesn't really help with anything.
Autopilot is great but we already have that
Nav on auto pilot meh it required help merging multiple times. It almost stops on the highway trying to merge. It also missed an exit almost I had to take over. It's amazing but def a beta.
Lane changes are impressive that it does that when you ask but its really not that hard to do myself. Not worth 7 or 8k
Speed based lane changes are bad. It doesn't make good decisions. You are better off not using it.
Summon is flat out horrible. It's hilariously bad at routing. It's crazy slow. Get ready to watch your car drive all over the parking lot. Randomly hits the brakes hard over and over. Again your better off not using it. It's scary to use.
Auto park works but it's so slow I would just park myself. Perpendicular parking you need a car on each side which is meh. For some reason it parks sideways sometimes in spots or randomly gives up and says unavailable half way in.
Parallel parking works good actually but I cant justify 7 or 8k for that. I had a rental Prius that parallel parked itself just as good. This should be standard on a car like this.
Lastly stopping at traffic signals. Its not a feature it's a hindrance while driving. Really makes the driving experience annoying because it stops at everything even green lights. You have to keep hitting the gas or confirm stalk. The car will randomly slow before you hit it. It will also randomly think things are traffic lights. Bridges and overhead objects. While it's amazing the car doesn't run reds, it creates a bad driving experience. Your passengers will complain.
Conclusion I requested the refund and if there is some amazing update that makes it worth 8k in the next year I will think about it then.
It has to make my life easier though not harder.
Side note I love the model 3 but FSD is overpriced as it is. When this becomes worth using in 3-5 years there will be a lot of competition and much cooler cars. There may even be a new model 3.
I skipped on the FSD when it was $2k, had something else come up at that time that was more pressing. I have no belief, okay maybe 0.00001% that we will see Level 4 any time soon. The reason I would pay is just to have HW3, but not at the current price.
I appreciate the technical work that needs to go into getting to Level 4 and the amount that has happened so far. Seeing stop signs, crosswalks, traffic lights are all amazing features and will absolutely help with safety as the system gets smarter.
I also think it is important to keep this thread on the benefits from EAP to FSD, I would absolutely have bought FSD if EAP was not an option.
Agreed - it seems like whenever any question about FSD is brought up it turns into a debate on whether or not the features are worth the money. In my case and yours, the only things we don't have are HW3 and signal/stopsign recognition. If it were 3k right now I'd probably bite and pay for it but at the same time if FSD does increase to $8k next month and the upgrade from EAP to FSD goes up another 1k I'll be really annoyed, so maybe I'll just do it now. Still debating...
Unlikely to be a full barrier to certification for some level of rider-only use. Waymo’s current rider-only testing on public streets only runs under certain weather conditions. LIDAR, on the frequency they use anyway, has very real visibility limitations, too.my autopilot doesn't do too well when the camera sensors are blinded by low winter sun or in pouring rain...
Unlikely to be a full barrier to certification for some level of rider-only use. Waymo’s current rider-only testing on public streets only runs under certain weather conditions. LIDAR, on the frequency they use anyway, has very real visibility limitations, too.
Expect fair-weather-only AP to proceed all-weather.
Waymo is parked for the thunderstorm & snow, too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯so when there's a thunderstorm the robotaxi will pull over and tell the customers to chill and wait for 30min?
not having LIDAR is problem...
so when there's a thunderstorm the robotaxi will pull over and tell the customers to chill and wait for 30min?
Don't forget, without a heater to keep the radar sensor clear, AP also goes offline in the snow.