Well that's 100X what was installed in Canada so far this year. So yeah, it's going gangbusters down there.
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Well that's 100X what was installed in Canada so far this year. So yeah, it's going gangbusters down there.
Phillip L
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When the large volumes of Model 3's arrive the whole dream of hundred of thousands of new orders comes to a halt when most existing Superchargers become long lines of frustrated waiting Tesla owners. Imagine with what glee the ev haters will flog that horse. That is how important the build out of the charging infrastructure is. It is not a sideshow, it is literally the future of the company. We are no longer talking about ev enthusiasts now, We are talking about convincing the skeptical general public about buying ev's. They have to get this going, and relatively soon! Once the current 400,000 + reservation holders for Model 3 have their cars, these Superchargers better be going up fast. Tesla will need the positive publicity of the public seeing Supercharger construction nearby in their local papers and newscasts to sell the tens of thousands new cars a month they plan on building for non-ev enthusiasts.
wallstguy
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I think Elon must be confused based on the weather...33 degrees in Toronto on the first day of fall? Seems like the first day of summer...Plenty of time!
fsch
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I think it depends on location.
Superchargers for M3 won't be free, and depending on the cost, there are reasonable alternatives in some markets. For example in Québec, we are at 89 CHAdeMO installed and 109 more in the plans, at 10$/h. It's not as fast, but they are all over the place. The same would apply to Ontario if KSI doesn't mess up.
Nah, your buildout is a couple of orders of magnitude larger. It may be disappointing for you, but it's still way better than here. Podunksville NY is better served than all of Ontario.
Peter_M
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I have to say I don't remember much from my university queueing theory course 30 years ago, but there's something about poisson arrival rates and such that makes me not too worried about supercharger lineups. I supercharged 68 times on a big road trip this summer and about 160 times total over 4 years and the only time I've ever had to wait (for about 10 minutes) was when a 4-stall location was actually a 2-stall location because 2 were dead. The likelihood of waiting goes down very fast as you add stalls to a location, or add locations along a busy route. Adding x% to the existing stalls reduces the likelihood of waiting WAY more than x%.
North America is mostly "covered" now - you can get from A to B via superchargers, with some notable exceptions like Atlantic Canada, Alberta through Ontario, North Dakota, etc. So the challenge now is to handle increasing usage of the SCs. I'd love to see some real math about this, but my feeling is that doubling the number of SC stalls (promised for 1 year but likely within 3) would adequately handle an increase of something like 10x the number of cars on the road.
Can anyone who knows the queueing / statistics theory explain this better?
No. The US population is a little less than 10X that of Canada. That is ONE order of magnitude.
There are 30 Superchargers in Canada, if you count two under construction. 450 locations are listed for the USA. So from a population perspective, we're a bit behind. From a geographic perspective, we're far behind.
But we were talking about the 2017 rollout. In the USA a total of 71 new Superchargers have opened, and there are another 45 in permit or construction phases. Meanwhile in Canada, 4 have been opened and 2 are under construction.
fsch
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wallstguy
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The rate of EV purchases especially Tesla's has also gone up exponentially since February 2017 according to the Ministry of Transportation when I called about my EV rebate (at least in Ontario)
Electric Vehicle Sales In Canada, Q2 2017
Looks like about 8000 teslas in canada to date. I wish the rollout here would happen faster, but I think Tesla is prioritizing where the most cars are or will be, and supercharger wait times.
Looks like about 8000 teslas in canada to date. I wish the rollout here would happen faster, but I think Tesla is prioritizing where the most cars are or will be, and supercharger wait times.
@Gen3, I totally agree, Tesla is going to prioritize as they see fit. Fair enough. And they're always going to be slower than their plans suggest. No surprise.
Last year the Canadian Supercharger network finally reached a minimum critical mass in some provinces. This year they promised an even more aggressive rollout and then didn't do it. And now they double down on next year. Not sure what to make of it.
Last year the Canadian Supercharger network finally reached a minimum critical mass in some provinces. This year they promised an even more aggressive rollout and then didn't do it. And now they double down on next year. Not sure what to make of it.
Phillip L
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Personally I have never bought a brand new model of any car. At least wait a year for them to get the kinks out. By the time the roll out hits Canada the timing should be just right.
Duckjybe
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For some additional perspective on population (market):
Washington State = 7.5 Million people, #superchargers = 8, #stores/service centres = 4
Ontario = 14 Million people (95% are in Southern Ontario), #superchargers = 10. #stores/service centres = 4
Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond area= 907K people, #stores/service centres = 4
Ottawa = 947K people, #stores/service centres = 0
It seems the Ontario market is underserved. The good thing is there are good growth opportunities in Ontario when Tesla decides to capitalize. The problem is our weak dollar makes Tesla's very expensive although they have come down recently.
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