TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC
  1. TMC is currently READ ONLY.
    Click here for more info.

edmunds range ratings

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by mk677, Feb 10, 2021.

  1. mk677

    mk677 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2021
    Messages:
    123
    Location:
    jacksonville fl
    my 2018, LR performance never charged north of 290 or so despite being rated to 310
     
    • Like x 1
  2. jelloslug

    jelloslug Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,652
    Location:
    Greenville, SC
    What size wheels do you have?
     
  3. leonar40

    leonar40 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2021
    Messages:
    125
    Location:
    Bloomington, IN
    The Taycan is VERY appealing. I'm also very happy with my Model 3 for 1/3 the price, so sticking with that. It will be interesting in 5 years when the Taycan is ~$40K if people will pick snatch them up. It will depend largely on battery degradation I suppose.
     
    • Like x 1
  4. El joe

    El joe Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    213
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    Agreed. That’s been pretty much my stance — I can’t wait to get these at CarMax for $40k in five years. Hoping the estimated range and huge influx of other EVs will bring the Taycan’s prices down quite a bit in five to seven years.
     
    • Like x 1
  5. jaqueh

    jaqueh Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2020
    Messages:
    68
    Location:
    San Francisco
    I have 2021 18” wheels and they adjusted the consumption with these new models so the disparity between real world and epa is even greater with the new models as the batteries are same as before.
     
  6. jelloslug

    jelloslug Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,652
    Location:
    Greenville, SC
    I have not seen what you are seeing in our 2018 dual motor Model 3.
     
  7. jaqueh

    jaqueh Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2020
    Messages:
    68
    Location:
    San Francisco
    My consumption lifetime so far is 290wh/mile. Sorry forgot to add that.
     
  8. jelloslug

    jelloslug Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,652
    Location:
    Greenville, SC
    We are running under 250 wh/mile.
     
  9. VQTRVA

    VQTRVA Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2019
    Messages:
    451
    Location:
    CVA
    18" aeros
     
  10. Needsdecaf

    Needsdecaf Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2018
    Messages:
    829
    Location:
    The Woodlands, TX
    Edmunds has purchased at least three Tesla vehicles with their own money to test.

    Also, their results line up with hundreds if not thousands of actual users.

    If their results were completely out of left field, your theory might have more merit.
     
  11. BooMan

    BooMan Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2018
    Messages:
    14
    Location:
    Detroit
    You nailed it. They have to come up with HWY specific ratings as the EPA ratings for ev’s are more than useless at this point.
     
  12. ChadS

    ChadS Last tank of gas: March 2009

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Messages:
    3,316
    Location:
    Redmond, WA
    #32 ChadS, Feb 17, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2021
    The EPA does break down range in to city and highway categories; it's just that the combined number is the one that gets broadcast the most. You can see all three ratings for all BEVs in THIS list.

    However, as noted earlier the speeds on the highway test are too low. I definitely agree it would help to have them be at more realistic speeds. Even there, "realistic" can vary widely around the country, and large speed changes have huge effects on EV efficiency. The more aero designs do better - obvious not absolutely, but relatively - at higher speeds. I would find a table of ranges at various speeds to be helpful, although I know a lot of consumers don't like to see more than a single number.

    I'd also like to see the test standardized. They say the EPA test is standardized and so a good comparison tool even while YMMV, but given that automakers can pick and choose tests and de-rating factors, the numbers we see are NOT comparable. The same could be true in gas cars, but most automakers choose the tests that give the best numbers and things end up fairly comparable (there have been some exceptions). But in the EV world, some like Tesla go for marketing-wow while others like Porsche go for underpromise-overdeliver. Both are allowed, but it makes it hard for a buyer to figure out what suits our needs best.
     
    • Informative x 2
    • Like x 2
  13. tpoltron

    tpoltron Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2013
    Messages:
    372
    Location:
    Cupertino, CA
    We exceeded it once, while visiting Yellowstone, where you drive long distances at 40mph. EVs are ideal for not spooking the wildlife.

    saw this in another thread and thought it interesting and relevant:

    It seems a car company is allowed to stick to the EPA rating for the most efficient wheel and tire combination, so those with fanciest wheels underperform the worst. So did Edmunds cherry pick the variants that would yield the worst results, as some would accuse, or those that are the most fun to drive?
     
  14. alexgr

    alexgr Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2019
    Messages:
    375
    Location:
    Tulsa
    Consumer Reports has tested 2018 Model 3 at 65 mph and it drove 350 miles (310 miles EPA)
    2018 Tesla Model 3 Review

    Also:
    Teslike.com

    So, it looks like Edmunds result is indeed an outlier.
     
    • Disagree x 3
    • Like x 2
  15. redalf

    redalf Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2020
    Messages:
    50
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Weird someone else tried to make this point in another thread, to repeat myself though MPGe figures are NOT range figures, you can’t really even use them to extrapolate range. The EPA only posts one number for range, which is what most reporting relies on, no one talks about MPGe #s, combined or otherwise, cause its kind of a goofy concept to try and create a comparison point if EVs and ICE vehicles, but it’s not super informative otherwise.
     
    • Like x 1
  16. ChadS

    ChadS Last tank of gas: March 2009

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Messages:
    3,316
    Location:
    Redmond, WA
    No, mpge is not range, but if you multiply it by a constant (fuel capacity) you get range. Why do you say you can't extrapolate range from mpge?
     
  17. jaqueh

    jaqueh Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2020
    Messages:
    68
    Location:
    San Francisco
    As far as I know. Mpge is standardized across all manufacturers, no derating or adjustment factors can be taken on it. So that figure doesn’t align with range at all. You also don’t know fuel capacity of the model 3 as that’s not a required figure, so you can’t calculate it that way either.
     
    • Like x 1
  18. mk677

    mk677 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2021
    Messages:
    123
    Location:
    jacksonville fl
    my 2018 LR performance model 3 would never even charge to 310, it might charge to 290 miles and I have never exceeded the indicated range. the tell tale is that they achieved the higher range from regen, if you are on a highway driving 65 mph, you are not braking. sorry but this is fake news
     
  19. alexgr

    alexgr Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2019
    Messages:
    375
    Location:
    Tulsa
    MPGe and Consumption (kWh/100 mi) even though MPGe is simply the Consumption multiplied by 33.7, will not give you the range when multiplied by the battery capacity. The consumption numbers are determined by measuring the amount of electricity needed to fully charge the vehicle after driving X number or miles according to an EPA test procedure for electric vehicles. This consumption number includes the charging loss, which can be not that small and varies between different cars. If you know the battery size (in kWh) and divide it by the consumption number (kWh/100 miles) you should get the number smaller than the rated range because the consumption includes extra energy lost in charging.
     
    • Informative x 1
  20. alexgr

    alexgr Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2019
    Messages:
    375
    Location:
    Tulsa
    Then you probably should read Edmunds that consistently obtains a MUCH lower range for Tesla vehicles than the EPA. The choice of fake news is your choice! ;)

    My position is that we should consider the EPA range as the only consistent test, no matter how off it is compared to person X or Y driving experience. Everything else including Edmunds and CR is "Facebook".
     
    • Disagree x 1

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.
  • Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


    SUPPORT TMC