Electric Infinities

[ljbad4life]

I guess I'm the one that's going to do this but, why is Nissan collaborating with Lotus? All I keep hearing is "teh LEAFs are de bestest"and ER-EVs are garbage, why is Nissan making a ER-EV when they are sitting on magical battery tech that can be quickcharged multiple times a day and can be air cooled? Why not just stack more batteries and make it a 200-300 mile BEV? I remember that Nissan said within 3-5 years they would have a 200 mile pack for the LEAF ready. Use that and maybe another one and put in a stronger electric motor. I can't be the only one that sees the irony.

 

[stopcrazypp]

I guess I'm the one that's going to do this but, why is Nissan collaborating with Lotus? All I keep hearing is "teh LEAFs are de bestest"and ER-EVs are garbage, why is Nissan making a ER-EV when they are sitting on magical battery tech that can be quickcharged multiple times a day and can be air cooled? Why not just stack more batteries and make it a 200-300 mile BEV? I remember that Nissan said within 3-5 years they would have a 200 mile pack for the LEAF ready. Use that and maybe another one and put in a stronger electric motor. I can't be the only one that sees the irony.

This is just a concept and EREVs sports cars/super cars have been popular recently in terms of concepts (none in production yet though). For the actual production model, I'm pretty sure they have a BEV planned for Infiniti (a 5 seater sports sedan roughly based on the Leaf), not an EREV (although this can change).

http://www.worldcarfans.com/110120929959/infiniti-ev-will-be-close-to-released-sketch-says-design

 

[JRP3]

It's still cheaper to get added range by sticking in an ICE instead of adding more batteries. So we will keep seeing hybrids for a while.

 

[ljbad4life]

It's still cheaper to get added range by sticking in an ICE instead of adding more batteries. So we will keep seeing hybrids for a while.

According to the article up thread it will be Nissan/infiniti's flagship, it could end up being a Nissan GTR. the GTR is ~100k, if Tesla can put out a 4 second ev with 245 mile range for that much, Nissan can do it. on the EREV front,why aren't they using their own newly developed and debuted Hybrid system as a basis instead of using Lotus'? This raises the question of how robust Nissan's EV tech is (both in durability and flexibility).

 

[stopcrazypp]

According to the article up thread it will be Nissan/infiniti's flagship, it could end up being a Nissan GTR. the GTR is ~100k, if Tesla can put out a 4 second ev with 245 mile range for that much, Nissan can do it. on the EREV front,why aren't they using their own newly developed and debuted Hybrid system as a basis instead of using Lotus'? This raises the question of how robust Nissan's EV tech is (both in durability and flexibility).

I think part of the issue is there is a big disconnect between NISMO (their performance arm) and their EV team. Just look at the Nissan Leaf RC, the NISMO team didn't do any modifications to the drivetrain at all, which shows they are completely unfamiliar with EV tech. To build a performance EREV, Nissan would need to have NISMO, their hybrid, and EV teams work together.

 

[ljbad4life]

I think part of the issue is there is a big disconnect between NISMO (their performance arm) and their EV team. Just look at the Nissan Leaf RC, the NISMO team didn't do any modifications to the drivetrain at all, which shows they are completely unfamiliar with EV tech. To build a performance EREV, Nissan would need to have NISMO, their hybrid, and EV teams work together.

I can't disagree with you there. Put some of the ev specialists on the nismo team or have the nismo do the designing and request stuff from the EV team. I see the situation and it doesn't sit right in my head. Nissan has plenty of sport bodies (gt-r, 350-z) and Nissan has the resources and knowledge to build a purposely built ev frame why use Lotus? Nissan has a ton of small ICE's (no 3 cylinder, but a lot of small 4 cylinders) Why use lotus? Sure 3 cylinders are efficient, but every EREV manufacturer to date has steered clear of 3 cyl for a reason (vibration, noise and hp).

 

[EVNow]

This raises the question of how robust Nissan's EV tech is (both in durability and flexibility).

How so ?

Notice that they aren't even using their Mn battery for this - but a high power LiFePO. PHEVs need a different battery power profile than EVs.

 

[ljbad4life]

How so ?

Notice that they aren't even using their Mn battery for this - but a high power LiFePO. PHEVs need a different battery power profile than EVs.

Exactly my point. Nissan isn't using ANYTHING of theirs. That's very telling.

 

[dpeilow]

Infiniti to Reveal EV Concept in Detroit | TheDetroitBureau.com

 

[Robert.Boston]

Bigger battery pack, but only to "support the current [Leaf] range." I am still dumb-founded that all ICE manufacturers refuse to consider >100 mile EV ranges. Is this their way of segmenting the market to preserve their ICE franchise?

 

[vfx]

It's a concept but sounds like it's same in class as the S.

 

[TEG]

Infiniti to Reveal EV Concept in Detroit | TheDetroitBureau.com

...(For more on the updates planned for the 2013 Nissan Leaf, Click Here.)...

In that article the "Click Here" isn't even a link. I was like "Yes! 2013 LEAF pre-info! Click... Click... Click.. Hey! :cursing: )

 

[JRP3]

Bigger battery pack, but only to "support the current [Leaf] range." I am still dumb-founded that all ICE manufacturers refuse to consider >100 mile EV ranges. Is this their way of segmenting the market to preserve their ICE franchise?

From the article:

The battery pack, meanwhile, will be larger than the current 24 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion pack in the Nissan Leaf, confirmed Infiniti product planning manager Sean McNamara. He declined to say how much bigger, but the additional battery capacity will be needed to support the improved performance of Infiniti’s first electric vehicle without sacrificing range.

That should also mean that if you don't use the added performance, and drive it like a LEAF, it should have longer range. If it's a sleeker more aerodynamic body it should break the 100 mile range barrier.

 

[AnOutsider]

On the Emerg-E

Powered by a 400-horsepower range-extended powertrain, Infiniti says the Emerg-E can bolt to 60 miles per hour in four seconds dead while offering a 300-mile range.

I think that's a karma-killer right there.

It's a concept but sounds like it's same in class as the S.

But sounds like lower range than the base S?

 

[vfx]

http://www.technobuffalo.com/news/cars/infinitis-ev-nissan-leaf-twin/

 

[dpeilow]

I had to check the date. We've still got 3 days to go...


This is just photoshop tomfoolery. They've even added a helpful towing eye.

 

[Doug_G]

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My gosh that is ghastly.

 

[JRP3]

From the article:

Contrary to the pictured test mule, the actual Infiniti production EV should have a sleeker 4 door fastback design, which would be a breath of fresh air as opposed to the more conservative look of the Leaf.

 

[EVNow]

Contrary to the pictured test mule, the actual Infiniti production EV should have a sleeker 4 door fastback design, which would be a breath of fresh air as opposed to the more conservative look of the Leaf.

That's funny. The "sleeker" design would be more conservative than Leaf, not the other way round.

 

[JRP3]

I'd call the LEAF more odd than conservative. It could definitely use a better look, and sleeker would probably be an improvement.