SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
You are given a choice of electricity or a hot room, same btu either way.All generators will. As long as you accept that energy in the form of mechanical work + heat. (First law of thermodynamics)
Which do you choose ?
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You are given a choice of electricity or a hot room, same btu either way.All generators will. As long as you accept that energy in the form of mechanical work + heat. (First law of thermodynamics)
Nah my interest was theoretical / mathematical.If you’re thinking of getting a portable generator get a dual fuel one that works on gasoline or propane. Gas will go bad eventually, but propane can be stored indefinitely. Propane can also still be obtained in a power outage when a gas station pump would be inoperable.
...The petroleum refining sector is the largest consumer of fuel in U.S. manufacturing, when considering the inclusion of feedstocks or without feedstocks. Close to 90% of onsite fuel use in refining is applied toward process heating, 65% directly and an additional 23% for the generation of steam used in process heating. The petroleum refining sector has the largest process heating energy demand of all manufacturing sectors, and correspondingly is also the largest generator of onsite GHG combustion emissions...
...The petroleum refining sector ranks first in onsite energy use...
i never said anything about the average person, those are my numbers based off my driving. I do a lot of driving as i'm an outside sale manager.You think the average person drives 35,000 miles per year?
Never have to go to gas station for daily commute. You poor thing.I can fill my ICE with 2 gallons of gas in about 10 seconds.
YOUR MOVE TESLA!!
I can fill my ICE with 2 gallons of gas in about 10 seconds.
YOUR MOVE TESLA!!
It's funny how seriously some of you are taking this comment. I'm a happy owner of a Model 3 and do not need to be convinced about the benefits of Tesla electric over ICE
I'm not an ICE lover. I'm poking fun at them.
Why do you bother charging at work for double the price at home?I run my M3 at about 250 watts/mi. So 4 miles per kwh. 11pm to 7am electricity is just under $0.13/kwh where we live under PG&E's EV-A time of use plan. This is the equivalent of 3.25 cents per mile. So compared to a 30 mpg car, I am paying the equivalent of just under $1/gallon. OK, with the viper drain, say $1.10/gal. I charge at work on ChargePoint for 26 cents/kwh ($1.50 per hour), so that works out to the equivalent of $2/gallon. Compared to $4/gal for premium at our local Chevron station, I'll take either any day.
I think this is key, because efficiency is far more important with EV than ICE. The limitation of energy stored in a battery vs a fuel tank mandates this. Perspective: the 100 kWh battery pack has the equivalent energy storage as LESS than 3 gallons of gas (33.7 kW/gal gasoline per EPA). If the 4,700 lbs 100D Model S were as efficient as an ICE, it would have like 50 miles of range. While Tesla has been and continues to optimize these efficiencies (motor, inverter, switches, wiring, transmission, etc), it really just seems like an amazing position for Tesla. Thoughts?
Details...Total energy to work comparison at 33.7kWh for a gallon a gas of Model 3 and 3 Series (apples to apples).
Model 3 is EPA 310/75 = 4.1333 miles per kWh and 33.7kWh x 4.1333 = 139.29MPG
BMW 3 Series 328i is EPA 26MPG combined.
So same amount of energy 'in the tank":
BMW Series 3 is 26 miles
Tesla Model 3 is 139 miles
So while the same energy may cost almost 2x as much but you go over 5x farther.
Most Americans? Of the 120+ million households in this country, 75 million own their home, 45 million rent. A significant number of the 75 million do not have a garage/driveway/means to charge an electric car. Like it or not, ICE cars are going to be around for a long time.Very misleading thread title.
- Most Americans can save around 50% to 75% on fuel costs with EV
- With solar it can approach 100% long-term
- EVs are significantly more efficient machines than ICE counterparts (thread title actually makes this point, only very poorly)
- On average, results in far less GHG
The beauty of having a supercharger network is that people who don't have a garage/driveway can still charge.Most Americans? Of the 120+ million households in this country, 75 million own their home, 45 million rent. A significant number of the 75 million do not have a garage/driveway/means to charge an electric car. Like it or not, ICE cars are going to be around for a long time.
I save on my fuel costs by doing work.
Misleading? But it is factual comparison!!!Very misleading thread title.
- Most Americans can save around 50% to 75% on fuel costs with EV
- With solar it can approach 100% long-term
- EVs are significantly more efficient machines than ICE counterparts (thread title actually makes this point, only very poorly)
- On average, results in far less GHG
You've got it backward. A modern power plant is closer to 2/3 fuel energy converted to electricity and only 1/3 waste. Way more efficient than any engine in an ice vehicle is going to ever be. Combined cycle - WikipediaToo bad that power plants waste ~ 2/3 to make electricity.