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While PlugShare scores are certainly helpful, they don't give the whole story.

For example:

Check-in from CCS vehicles doesn't mean much for CHAdeMO vehicle and vice verse.

Early CCS vehicles (Chevy Bolt, BMW i3) have trouble with heavy liquid cooled cables the Electrify America uses.
Since I only have a Chademo adapter, for EA I have to agree. In fact I would never plan a trip around EA with only a Chademo adapter.

I’ve had it fail more often than work with EA Chademo and since there’s only one stall per installation (soon none) my chances of successfully getting charged are too tenuous for comfort. I’d wait until the CCS adapter is released before making an absolutely necessary charging stop at EA if there aren’t backup options.

I’ll totally plan trips around Chargepoint and Francis chargers though. Since all stalls have Chademo, I feel much more comfortable relying on those stations with all that redundancy.
 
Since I only have a Chademo adapter, for EA I have to agree. In fact I would never plan a trip around EA with only a Chademo adapter.

I’ve had it fail more often than work with EA Chademo and since there’s only one stall per installation (soon none) my chances of successfully getting charged are too tenuous for comfort. I’d wait until the CCS adapter is released before making an absolutely necessary charging stop at EA if there aren’t backup options.

I’ll totally plan trips around Chargepoint and Francis chargers though. Since all stalls have Chademo, I feel much more comfortable relying on those stations with all that redundancy.
There were some locations where Electrify America itself announced that it is aware that CHAdeMO is down and didn't bother fixing them for >6 months.

Not surprisingly, CCS works perfectly fine at those exact same locations.
 

The Charging Station of the Future, Today: Electrify America to Transform the Electric Vehicle Charging Experience, Creating a Customer Oasis with Ultra-Fast Charging​


  • Enhancing look and feel of electric vehicle charging stations with designs inspired by the surrounding communities
  • Providing a more inviting transition to an electric vehicle lifestyle from traditional gas station
  • Adding solar canopies, waiting areas and other customer services at select locations
  • Introducing technology and design enhancements to its next generation ultra-fast charger
  • Expanding onsite battery storage systems to more than 150 stations
Reston, VA (March 24, 2022) – Electrify America today announced a new design vision for some of its future charging stations to exceed electric vehicle (EV) customer expectations as they transition to electric mobility. In addition to this new, customer-focused design evolution, the company will be introducing its next generation charger with functional design updates to improve the hands-on charging experience for the customer.
Electrify America has sharpened the focus on customer needs and reimagined the charging experience by introducing The Charging Station of the Future, Today which can add design and comfort elements such as solar canopies and awnings, customer waiting areas and other customer-focused services at select locations.
To view a collection of images highlighting the new design vision, Click Here -- to see Electrify America’s “Lookbook - The Future of Charging”
The company plans to showcase this transition with installation in 2022 and 2023 in select new flagship charging facilities in Santa Barbara, San Francisco, San Diego and Beverly Hills, California and in New York within Manhattan and Brooklyn. Currently the company has flagship charging stations located in Baker, California and Santa Clara, California.
“Electrify America will be reinventing the look and feel at many of our charging stations to meet and exceed the expectations of customers moving from a gas-powered vehicle to an electric lifestyle,” said Giovanni Palazzo, president and CEO of Electrify America. “These new designs will help elevate the charging experience for our customers, building on the foundation of our ultra-fast and reliable coast-to-coast network.”
The bold and innovative design concepts create planned, comfortable spaces focused on enhancing the human experience. Using spatial, behavioral and emotional layers, the renderings for future stations evoke a dynamic new environment for electric vehicle charging. The Electrify America team leading the new station design vision has integrated in-depth customer feedback and insights from trend research and leading architecture and construction consultants to increase the focus in bringing human-centered and unique community-centric design strategies to the charging experience.
A Customer-Centric Charging Experience
With some of the new showcase stations featuring up to 20 ultra-fast DC chargers, the company is looking to add a number of options at various locations including:
  • Customer lounges, electric vehicle showcase areas, dedicated event space
  • Overhead solar canopies to shield customers from the sun and inclement weather
  • On-site security cameras and additional lighting
  • Charging stations located at select shopping locations may offer valet charging and curbside delivery options
Solar Awnings
Electrify America is currently adding solar awnings to 400-500 individual chargers at 100 charging stations across the country. In addition to providing shelter from the sun and weather elements, the energy captured by the solar awnings will be utilized to help power the station’s operations.
The company has already installed solar canopies at its flagship charging stations in Baker and Santa Clara, CA. The solar energy from these solar canopies is also routed to the onsite battery energy storage systems onsite, capturing energy to help charge electric vehicles.
Next-Generation Charger
Electrify America will also begin the rollout of a redesigned electric vehicle charger with functional and design features to simplify the customer experience. The ultra-fast chargers with up to 150 and 350 kilowatts of charging power will keep Electrify America’s iconic green glow that customers have come to recognize and embrace, and continue to stand at an easily recognizable at 8 feet tall. The next-generation charger will also feature:
  • An all-new design that refines the look and reduces the footprint of the charger
  • A recessed and brighter HMI (human-machine interface) screen to help reduce the glare from sunlight making it easier for customers to view the operational instructions and charging progress
  • A single connector cable with an all-new cable management system to ease the effort to plug in the cable no matter where the charging port resides on a customer’s EV
  • A reduced footprint of both the charger and power cabinets will allow installation of more equipment in space constrained, urban locations.
Deploying More Than 150 Onsite Battery Energy Systems
The company’s new charging station design vision is focused on marrying the latest technology innovations with a true customer-focused experience. New station design is integrating energy and cost-saving technology to help improve efficiency and make the charging experience more simple, fast and comfortable than ever before. By expanding the deployment of onsite battery energy storage systems (BESS) to more than 150 stations, the company continues to build on previous investments to help manage the energy load to the grid and capture excess solar energy where possible.
“The momentum moving us closer to an electric transportation system is accelerating with consumers finding more and more choices of EVs from virtually every manufacturer,” Palazzo said. “Our customer research shows the need to transition to a more inviting charging experience that accommodates the human experience with waiting areas and other conveniences.”
 
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It's cool to see them introducing second-generation pedestals and cabinets, their reliability (outside of Chademo) has been pretty decent but new systems to fix problems with HMI screens aging or card payments systems failing is good. Covers at 500 stalls at 100 sites would be about a sixth of their total stations, unless those are all focused at new-build stations for this year and don't include many retrofits at all (I'm expecting based on their current rate to see another 100, 150 sites or so open this year.)

I think the more charging stalls open for high-power charging of all EVs, and the more reliable they are for everyone, the better.

It's interesting to see them do more in-city sites with large stall counts, getting into 10, 20 stalls per site, comparable to the big Tesla sites and less like 2 or 4 stalls in the corner of a Walmart parking lot.
 
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Tesla can't move us to sustainable transportation by themselves. We need all the manufacturers to be on board and we need pervasive open-standard charging options to enable that adoption.

In my opinion, Tesla will be moving to CCS on their cars and SCs over the next few years. They are already installing the larger charge port doors on cars. Next step will be to change the SCs and charge ports themselves. They will probably leave a few chargers at each SC the legacy plug and/or people will be able to use adapters to go to legacy Tesla port.

Then Tesla could open up the SC network and it could become a nice profit center for them while instantly helping increase EV adoption. It's WIN-WIN.
 
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Yes I know about the “open patents” thing.

I blame Elon for this, I’m certain it’s a “hubris” thing that he won’t offer up the Tesla plug as a truly open standard with no strings attached. It’s a shame because the Tesla plug is so ergonomic.
 
Yes I know about the “open patents” thing.

I blame Elon for this, I’m certain it’s a “hubris” thing that he won’t offer up the Tesla plug as a truly open standard with no strings attached. It’s a shame because the Tesla plug is so ergonomic.
It has more to do with maintaining a walled garden and keeping drivers in the Tesla ecosystem.

Suppose that you bought a Tesla Model Y 2 years ago and often charge at Electrify America.

Now, you want another EV and found out that Tesla raised the price of the Model Y by 15K since then and can get a KIA EV6 for less.

It's a whole lot easier to switch than if you rarely or never charge at Electrify America.
 
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It's cool to see them introducing second-generation pedestals and cabinets, their reliability (outside of Chademo) has been pretty decent but new systems to fix problems with HMI screens aging or card payments systems failing is good. Covers at 500 stalls at 100 sites would be about a sixth of their total stations, unless those are all focused at new-build stations for this year and don't include many retrofits at all (I'm expecting based on their current rate to see another 100, 150 sites or so open this year.)

I think the more charging stalls open for high-power charging of all EVs, and the more reliable they are for everyone, the better.

It's interesting to see them do more in-city sites with large stall counts, getting into 10, 20 stalls per site, comparable to the big Tesla sites and less like 2 or 4 stalls in the corner of a Walmart parking lot.
How many here can remember full service gas stations? That Beverly Hills place, wow. I don't like the history of EA's being but VW shows great business sense in using a punishment to start a new business. They've had free days around a few holidays which is nice. I've never used one and generally wouldn't based upon their usual fees, but more places to charge is helpful to the transition.