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Electrify America to phase out CHAdeMO chargers; encourages Tesla drivers to use the Setec CCS1 to Tesla adapter

In recent years, the automotive industry has converged on CCS as the non-proprietary standard of choice for vehicles in the U.S. Nissan, the last BEV manufacturer producing CHAdeMO vehicles for the North American market, has announced that the upcoming Ariya will use CCS charging (Goodwin, 2020). As sales of all new BEVs shift to CCS, Electrify America forecasts that over 90% of the non-Tesla BEVs in operation will use CCS by 2025. Electrify America is already seeing this shift at our stations. CHAdeMO usage (including Tesla via CHAdeMO adapter) accounted for just 9% of station usage in the first quarter of 2021, down from 15% in 2019, despite CHAdeMO chargers making up over 20% of all DCFC equipment at our stations. In addition, whereas historically a CHAdeMO adapter was the only way to fast charge Tesla vehicles outside of the Supercharger network, in late-2020 Setec Power released a CCS to Tesla adapter (Moloughney, 2020), thereby unlocking CCS chargers to interested Tesla drivers.

Through Cycles 1 and 2, Electrify America will have built over 800 CHAdeMO stations across the country. Together with nearly 5,000 chargers built by other networks, legacy CHAdeMO drivers have access to a robust charging network. At the time of writing, the ratio of CHAdeMO vehicles in operation to CHAdeMO DCFC is just 22:1. Given this, Electrify America will focus its Cycle 3 investment on the future of electrification and deploy CCS as the non-proprietary standard at our stations. This action helps to reinforce the automotive manufacturers’ convergence on a single standard, reduces customer confusion, reduces capital and operating costs, and ultimately is expected to lead to increased EV adoption.
 
Well the S&X still have the custom Tesla type 2 socket in Europe. Though hopefully that will change with the refresh.
With better charging being something Tesla advertised at the Plaid delivery event I would hope so. I’d bet those Modified Type 2 to CCS2 adapters aren’t even close to strong enough to handle the 630A of current needed to get to 250kW.
 
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Rocky_H

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whereas historically a CHAdeMO adapter was the only way to fast charge Tesla vehicles outside of the Supercharger network, in late-2020 Setec Power released a CCS to Tesla adapter (Moloughney, 2020), thereby unlocking CCS chargers to interested Tesla drivers.
And then in late 2021, Tesla released an update that disabled them!
 

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...and then Setec released an update that made them work again
Somewhere in the thread on the Setec adapter, there's a claim that a Tesla customer service representative said that Tesla deliberately disabled the adapter because of a safety problem: The CCS cable can be unplugged from the adapter without first stopping the charge, which could be quite dangerous. If this is true, then Tesla is likely to try to disable the adapter again -- and of course, without a fix for this flaw, the devices are dangerous. Imagine a curious kid trying to unplug the cable while the parents aren't looking.

The best-case outcome is that a software solution is possible, that Setec implements it quickly, and that Tesla accepts this and stops trying to disable the adapter. The worst-case outcome is that we have more rounds of the adapter being disabled by Tesla and then re-enabled by Setec until somebody gets hurt and the adapters remain bricked forevermore.

There's also the wild card of whether Tesla will introduce its own CCS1 adapter. It's announced one for the Korean market, but they've said nothing about releasing it in the US, and there's speculation that it might not work here without updates to charging hardware on US-spec cars.
 

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There's also the wild card of whether Tesla will introduce its own CCS1 adapter. It's announced one for the Korean market, but they've said nothing about releasing it in the US, and there's speculation that it might not work here without updates to charging hardware on US-spec cars.

 
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FWIW, Tesla has pretty much done exactly that in Europe. Including delivering cars with a CCS-type Frankenplug rather than the (well, cleaner-looking) Tesla socket.

You would find its actually not a big deal, its a lot better than the Type 1 plug. The onlt thing that is annoying is the fact that Tesla hasn't added the Type 2 socket to the Model S and Y so you don;'t have to use an adaptor. Just put the old fashioned fuel flap in like the Chinese market S/X.
 
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Tesla hasn't added the Type 2 socket to the Model S and Y so you don;'t have to use an adaptor.

Telsa also hasn't sold a refresh S/X in a Type 2 market.
We know a redesign of the S/X tail lights is coming and it will fit a Type2/CCS2 port, so I suspect thats likely.


The greater unknown is whether Tesla will move to Type1/CCS1 in the Americas, and possibly refit stalls with dual TPC/CCS1 cables (much like V2 Superchargers in Europe have two cables)
 
Telsa also hasn't sold a refresh S/X in a Type 2 market.
We know a redesign of the S/X tail lights is coming and it will fit a Type2/CCS2 port, so I suspect thats likely.


The greater unknown is whether Tesla will move to Type1/CCS1 in the Americas, and possibly refit stalls with dual TPC/CCS1 cables (much like V2 Superchargers in Europe have two cables)

The refresh 2.0 S/X have the new tail light and charge port, which has space for other connectors.

Unless there ends up being a large government subsidy to build more combo stations, Tesla is going to keep the TPC connector for the US.
 
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Hopefully they'll build a separate area for CCS1 with drive through, I'd buy the adapter for when I'm carrying bikes on my hitch rack.

In Europe it's becoming clear that charging ports are going to be as varied as gas fills, so pull through stations will be required to avoid riots at the back in chargers. Most legacy Tesla stations only work well for left rear or right front charge ports.

We have guns here. No point in testing people's patience with bad charging location design.
 
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