SW2Fiddler
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Puzzling.800+ posts to guess what is solution and when I am saying call me and get the answer with proofs only 2 people asked and said no mic. WTF???
That many, eh?
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Puzzling.800+ posts to guess what is solution and when I am saying call me and get the answer with proofs only 2 people asked and said no mic. WTF???
Wow... Ummm... No. That's basically discharging and charging the battery with the same energy through the most inefficient method possible. It would result in nothing more than decreasing efficiency.
I was told on my factory tour that they don't allow non-employees in the areas where the packs/batteries/modules/etc are assembled for safety and insurance concerns... so not sure how someone would have come to the conclusion that there are better cells, personally.
Yeah. Thanks. I guess I need to put the "[/sarcasm]" moniker at the end of the posts in which I'm not completely (or even remotely) serious.Wow... Ummm... No. That's basically discharging and charging the battery with the same energy through the most inefficient method possible. It would result in nothing more than decreasing efficiency.
First of all your other post doesn't link to that interview, it links to another TMC post here (which appears to be a mistake).
But you still can't explain why Tesla would sit on 10% extra battery capacity for 3 months while being criticized by P85D owners over range so much that they ultimately had to write a blog post about it. A blog post that promised a software upgrade that implemented a complicated scheme of turning motors off in order to increase range. A complicated scheme that coincidentally promised 10% more range which brings the P85D roughly into equivalence with the P85. Then once the software update with torque sleep was available, there are still owners that aren't sure they're seeing the improvement. One of tweaks of the torque sleep functionality caused P85D's in range mode to start losing power, which took them a week to fix while customers were concerned their cars weren't safe to drive. They did all that while sitting on the fact that the cars had 10% more battery capacity that they could have activated by just pushing a software update to make it available. A change that would have been immediately obvious and absolutely would have resolved the range disparity between a P85 and a P85D. I have yet to see a good business reason for them to do that.
I think people put too much importance on the battery pack revisions. Any number of tiny changes could trigger a new revision identifier. Even the tiniest change should trigger that change. It could be something as simple as a change in suppliers for a part. It could be improved wiring to allow even faster supercharging. It could be improved wiring to support the performance of the P85D. It could be improvements to the battery cooling system to allow the newer vehicles to pull large amounts of power for longer. It could be a new contractor design that's less likely to fail. There are many reasons to make improvements in the pack and bump the revision. The vast majority of which would not require telling customers anything and are thus in my opinion far more likely.
For what it's worth there's an F pack revision already.
I exactly know and have a proof. Dont want to write myself. If someone can call me via skype or chat whatsapp I can provide picture and this guy can describe here in good english
my skype is malikmrz
Per your referenced link: Based on our recent tour of TSLA's primary production facility, we believe TSLA has made significantly more progress as it relates to battery cell production and optimizationYes, there was a mistake in my link, I fixed it, and the link to the interview works now.
I thought about the "sitting" part before posting. I see two reasons to do this. One is to minimize outcry from the owners who just miss the upgrade, just because reasonable people will less likely to engage in the outcry after passage of time. The other reason, which I mentioned in my post, could be similar to the reason that TM included autopilot hardware before it was reveled to the public. The development and validating software can be completed after the hardware is available for the installation. So your belief that they "sat on the 10% more capacity" it is not a foregone conclusion imo, they simply did not have required software ready for release.
I agree with you that battery pack revisions could be triggered by multitude of things, but it is very interesting that this analyst specifically mentioned transition from the 4th generation of the battery pack (rev D) to the 5th generation (rev E) in conjunction with implication of increased range (capacity). BTW, this analyst also issued a new note today, again, although in more cryptic way, alluding to the improvement in battery.
Do not get me wrong, I am far to insist that this increased battery capacity in Rev. E packs is a sure thing, I just do not buy your arguments for shooting it down.:smile:
The fact that there is rev F pack out does not prove anything either way. I just find both the interview and the note very intriguing...
I spoke with Malik and because his written English isn't as good as his spoken English, I'll try to relay his thoughts.
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So basically you could set an "Average Speed" of say 65. Now let's say you're approaching a hill. The car might know this based on GPS data or perhaps you've driven this way before, and it could either speed up when the cost of doing so (energy-wise) is cheap (maybe you're on a flat grade, or going downhill) OR it could accelerate up the hill in a more sedate manner than the cruise control currently does (as it aggressively tries to hold your set speed).
Likewise, going downhill, the car might use less regen and go a little faster if it knows it can use that speed on the flat (or inclined) road ahead. Basically a cruise control that drives like a hyper-miler, which would extend your range. This could fit the idea of eliminating range anxiety as someone could engage this when needed and the car will do it's darnedest to make sure you get the range you need.
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The above is my attempt at relaying his thoughts. I don't know if that's what's going to be announced, but it does fit the bill. I've also personally thought, for a while now, that the cruise control should already be doing this. On long trips I tend not to use the CC and try to manually keep my usage around 0 because it's too aggressive with the braking and acceleration.
Hope I did your idea justice
I thought about the "sitting" part before posting. I see two reasons to do this. One is to minimize outcry from the owners who just miss the upgrade, just because reasonable people will less likely to engage in the outcry after passage of time.
The other reason, which I mentioned in my post, could be similar to the reason that TM included autopilot hardware before it was reveled to the public.
The development and validating software can be completed after the hardware is available for the installation. So your belief that they "sat on the 10% more capacity" it is not a foregone conclusion imo, they simply did not have required software ready for release.
I agree with you that battery pack revisions could be triggered by multitude of things, but it is very interesting that this analyst specifically mentioned transition from the 4th generation of the battery pack (rev D) to the 5th generation (rev E) in conjunction with implication of increased range (capacity). BTW, this analyst also issued a new note today, again, although in more cryptic way, alluding to the improvement in battery.
Do not get me wrong, I am far to insist that this increased battery capacity in Rev. E packs is a sure thing, I just do not buy your arguments for shooting it down.:smile:
The fact that there is rev F pack out does not prove anything either way. I just find both the interview and the note very intriguing...
I wonder if anyone's having a range anxiety party tomorrow.
I considered it, but worried how people would get here.
The above is my attempt at relaying his thoughts. I don't know if that's what's going to be announced, but it does fit the bill. I've also personally thought, for a while now, that the cruise control should already be doing this. On long trips I tend not to use the CC and try to manually keep my usage around 0 because it's too aggressive with the braking and acceleration.
Party for everyone. Tesla rented out restaurants all over the world, there will be an individual invitation for everyone.I wonder if anyone's having a range anxiety party tomorrow. Btw will it be live streamed?
135kW would be close to 400A at times... and I believe the charge port wire is #2 or #1 AWG.