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Elon on Letterman in the Huffington Post
A very positive article about Elon's Letterman visit and Tesla in general. Just saw this on the front page of HuffPo.
A very positive article about Elon's Letterman visit and Tesla in general. Just saw this on the front page of HuffPo.
He won't try to defend it. He's repeatedly stated that it was a mistake but made on financial grounds. He defends the decsion well and quickly segways into discussion of the Volt.
Honestly, I hope Dave isn't a complete ass to Lutz, a lot hinges on the Volt being successful IMO.
I wasn't much into the EV scene back then, and I'm not a techie (well when it comes to battery packs and other things related to EVs anyways), but I think the commenter was more referring to, why could a car 10 years back have the technology to do more than the car that's 2 years away?
Does it have something to do with them selling off the battery technology to an oil company?
It is a bit of an apple/oranges comparison given that the EV1 was a dedicated EV and the Volt is a PHEV carrying around the weight of an ICE and generator.
Also the EV1 ~may~ have been losing money on each produced and GM might have been making it as a proof of concept ( & answer to CARBs demands for small numbers of ZEVs ) never indended to go into mass production. The Volt is a bit of a different story where they really must make a profit on them given their very precarious financial situation now and their need to prove to the government that it can be a profitable product line.
Also the EV1 ~may~ have been losing money on each produced and GM might have been making it as a proof of concept ( & answer to CARBs demands for small numbers of ZEVs ) never indended to go into mass production. The Volt is a bit of a different story where they really must make a profit on them given their very precarious financial situation now and their need to prove to the government that it can be a profitable product line.
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I hate to keep reminding you all that GM never sold ANY EV1s. They were leased, never intended to be let go, always under control. There is some understanding that GM and Big Oil had some agreement, too, so bigger cars and trucks, SUVs, the Hummer, etc. got pushed, while the EV1 was hidden, poorly advertised, and recalled. There were only 800 leased, with many on waiting lists, willing to pay to keep this fantastic technology, but it was not "financially" in line with GM's policies. That an oil company bought the competing battery is another issue.
I personally see GM making the Volt a gas engine hybrid so it can keep its service departments busy and use gasoline. I think that people that buy it will like it, until they try a true electric like the Tesla, one with range, power, looks. GM talks and advertises lies about electrics, and now they have to try to defend their Volt. Good. I hope Dave studies the facts before hand.
Lump me in with the conspiracy theorists, but I tend to agree. This whole hybrid/generators crap is just silly. Let's not dip toes in the water... let's jump in. If little ole' Tesla can do it -- why can't they?
There was a story that GM might have sold at least one:
Used GM EV1 Electric Car Sold for $465k!? : TreeHugger
And isn't there some sort of internal sale from the factory to the leasing company? I doubt GM made back the manufacturing cost from the lease income.
Used GM EV1 Electric Car Sold for $465k!? : TreeHugger
And isn't there some sort of internal sale from the factory to the leasing company? I doubt GM made back the manufacturing cost from the lease income.
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