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Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by DanCar, Feb 24, 2021.

  1. mspisars

    mspisars Active Member

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    agreed
    What if it was put this way: Autonomous systems are the only way we are going to improve auto safety without disenfranchising a large swath of population and actually expanding mobility to those that have lost the right to drive on their own but cannot afford to be driven around.
     
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  2. pitabun

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    Everyone out in the suburbs will not be as fortunate, and people that live in the geofenced cities do have other methods of city transportation. I wonder what percentage of city working folks actually live in their respective geofenced area? I would assume most travel from outside and would benefit from FSD.
     
  3. diplomat33

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    The geofenced area should include the suburbs.
     
  4. DaveG_NJ

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    I think FSD (based on the Beta videos), is very good at interpreting road marking and traffic control devices (stop signs, traffic lights). On open roads with little traffic, it does quite well. What I see as lacking (perhaps impossible) is the car's ability to understand the complete situation, and that especially means, interpreting other drivers' behavior. I've been driving/riding for almost 50 years, about 20 of those on two wheels where you really need to have your defensive skills honed or you become a projectile. When I was teaching my kids to drive, I'd warn them about things like that (the bouncing ball) or I'd warn them when someone was going to roll through a stop sign or cut them off. "How'd you know that?!" they'd ask. It was not clairvoyance as they seemed to think. The human brain can process a very complex series of inputs, draw inferences and, over time, develop a degree of situational awareness that is starkly lacking in FSD, at least as I've seen it.

    I'm reminded of this whenever I've driving NoA on the highway and I see a caravan of cars coming around the onramp about to merge ahead of me. The car will only react when those cars are immediately a problem, whereas I could spot the problem a half mile before and move to the left to allow them to merge and stay out of my way.
     
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  5. DanCar

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    Do I detect hypocrisy? It is not the best way , but I don't advocate any other way?
     
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  6. Webeevdrivers

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    I can’t believe anyone believes that we’ll see full FSD in the next few years. It’s been 4 years since they said “later this year...blah blah blah....”. Lol :). Why does anyone think things will change this year. Too funny. :)

    I live my Tesla and I would buy another. But I doubt FSD will ever show. .
     
  7. Needsdecaf

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    They're not the only way. There is always another way. For instance, you could take the money being invested in Autonomous Driving and subsidize ride sharing or shuttle services for seniors. Autonomous driving may not be fully complete in a timely Fashion for that large boomer wave as it is!

    There is always another way. But people's predications and desires cloud judgement. I get that Autonomous Driving has a huge potential. But how much of the potential is real and how much is a way people are looking to make money?

    I don't like being sold that "it's the only way to keep things safe". That's not true at all. If you want to say it's one way, a good one, and maybe the cheapest or easiest? Fine. But the only way? No.
     
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    No.

    I don't advocate that particular way. But there are others as well. I was merely pointing out one.

    My point is it's not the ONLY way. People who say it's the ONLY way are letting their emotions rule the argument.
     
  9. MXLRplus

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    If people today cannot drive safely at 30 years old, then what good is waiting to 65 to find out?

    People over 65 are less likely to have an accident, and they are probably less likely to be texting their mistresses pics of their junk while going 50 in the fast lane of the I-10.

    So you need to fix the 16-30 year old drivers who can't stop Twittering for 5 minutes. Yes, it's illegal. That has zero effect.
     
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  10. Needsdecaf

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    So make it have an effect.

    Make texing while driving a primarily ticketable offense. Did you know in many states that you can't get pulled over for it? You can only get a ticket if pulled over for something else. Make the penalties harsher. Make people convicted of it sit in front of a group of people who have lost loved ones due to distracted driving "accidents". Make mandatory text lockouts while in motion. Invest in better driver training.

    And on and on.

    Also, someone mentioned cost. Autonomous driving isn't going to be free. And not mandatory. So how do you force bad drivers to use it or rely on it without taking away their licenses?

    Autonomous driving is the most complicated, most expensive solution to solving a problem that exists. Why don't we take other steps to fix the problem first instead of taking the wheel out of their hands? Again. I'm not anti autonomous driving. But I'm certainly anti "autonomous driving will cure all of our problems".

    There is always another solution. Don't get target fixation.
     
  11. Microterf

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    I agree. My point wasn't thay he didn't know at thr beginning, my complaint is that he wasn't transparent when he did know that it was a dead end.
     
  12. DanCar

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    So many road rage videos, and people passing on the highways dangerously. Would be nice if Tesla hooked up a button to send recent indent(s) caught on camera to local traffic enforcement.
     
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    be very careful what you wish for. If you exceed the speed limit you are just as guilty in the ‘eyes of the law’
     
  14. Dan D.

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    Indeed. In fact why have a button. AI can detect the bad behavior of others (or its own driver) and report the offense live.
     
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    Exactly. This is year 4 of just a few months away. At what point do people accept that this is just not going to happen. There may be small improvements, maybe add right turns this year, left turns next year, maybe roundabouts in 2025. But I think the big day of a full release is not something we will see this decade. I’m ok with that and kind of knew that could happen when we paid for it. But I still think under promising would be a better long term strategy. Maybe just tell people it just didn’t work out and move on. Offer what does work for a lower price.

    JMHO.
     
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  20. DanCar

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    But Tesla is 99% of the way there.
     
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