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Elon Musk at Texas Transportation Forum

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    #1 Soflason, Jan 16, 2015
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    In the videos below from yesterday, you can check out Musk's comments to Tesla owners after his talk at the Forum. Next, you can see the entire interview with the Texas Tribune in full, makes a strong case for direct sales in Texas...



     
  2. ivengo

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    Thank you for posting this. This is a very different type of the interview than what we usually see when Elon Musk is interviewed. The person who interviews does it in a relatively aggressive style. Do you know who was the interviewer? Also I think Elon is able to defend and humor quite well in his own style.
     
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    Great interview! I think he did a great job of making the case for Tesla direct sales. I could definitely feel like the audience was on his side. Hope all goes well at the State Capitol. Is he giving a testimony that will be on Texas public access television or just meeting with local lawmakers?
     
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    When Mr. Musk gets pressed a little by "EV owners don't pay gas tax", he says maybe we should somehow. We the Tesla EV community, are paying for the SuperCharger Network Infrastructure...without the help of any gas taxes. ;)
     
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    Those don't support the roads we all drive on, however...
     
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    1. I suspect many Tesla owner support the road system by using toll roads.
    2. EVs don't leak oil the way ICE vehicles do. The cleanup for this is very expensive.
     
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    There simply should be a fuel blind tax for cars based on weight and mileage.
     
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    Toll roads are by far the minority, and roads degrade and need maintenance for far more reasons than just leaking oil.
     
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    Many county roads in Texas are getting thrashed with the trucks in the oil and gas boom. Some counties have even given up and turned paved roads into gravel.
     
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    We do in WA State. A $100 fee gets tacked on to EV owner's annual registration here for gas tax replacement.
     
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    As an EV driver, I'm more than willing to pay taxes for infrastructure maintenance.

    However, I do believe I should get something for my investment. I suggest a conditional arrangement like Elon has arranged for his government loans (no money unless a certain benchmark is met).

    I don't think people should be asked to unconditionally pay road maintenance fees that are clearly not going to road maintenance. (ie: if I lose several tires a year due to potholes, I should be exempt from the road tax the following year)
     
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    Which makes sense to an extent. I think it is clear that Elon thinks that things should be done fairly. Governments aren't going to be happy not getting their taxes so I expect to pay something somewhere.

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    Now you're asking a government to act with reason and integrity? That is probably a bridge too far.... :)
     
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    The United States provides subsidies for petroleum production totaling about $2.5 billion per year. That is just production of petroleum products, not consumer support or general support (the strategic petroleum reserve alone costs about a billion per year). If you are going to gripe about EVs avoiding taxes, you have to credit them on the other side of the leger as well. In net terms, EVs are probably a fiscal benefit to state and federal governments. Some good data here: TADFFSS - OECD
     
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    I'm actually okay with this idea, as long as the EVs still pay less as we don't pollute the local air, cause oil spills, or combust as often.

    Lets be real, semi trucks actually cause the most damage to highways over time, although we all indirectly benefit from them (unless you're Ron Swanson and make/grow all of your own stuff).

    We could also argue that the entire concept of gas tax is flawed because even when the gas prices were sky high for years, America's bridges and roads and general infrastructure were/are still in a terrible state.
     
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    #15 scaesare, Jan 21, 2015
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    I believe what we pay here in VA is $65. I'm ok with this... it's fair for me to pay my share of road use costs, and at the same time deprives detractors of one additional talking point.
     
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    Or sum(f(weight,mileage,location,distance)) with GPS tracking if you want to minimize your costs.
     
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    #17 superraz375, Jan 21, 2015
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    Just wanted to add my video to this thread so you all can see it from a different perspective.

     
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    #18 PAULL, Jan 21, 2015
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    Steve Carrell works for TX DOT?
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    I really liked the Texas Transportation interviewer. He asked really good questions and was clear about the reasoning behind his questions. They showed a real understanding of the subject and not an outsiders viewpoint.
     
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    Yes we have to "follow the money" when it comes to these fuel taxes. They are indeed supposed fund road maintenance and I'm not sure that's always the case. That's why the tax on gas in Texas is $0.384/gal and diesel is $0.444/gal since the diesel is assumed to be used in heavy trucks which tear up the roads more. So taking myself for example, in 2015 I will not be paying the $150 I would have had I not bought my Tesla and replaced my Nissan. Do I feel bad about that? Not really. I don't see the hydrocarbon-based vehicles paying any carbon tax for all the CO2 and pollution flying out their tailpipes. There should be two taxes, annual usage tax like above (but separated from the fuel pump), and a carbon tax (embedded in the fuel cost) to let folks feel the pain they are inflicting on the environment.
     

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