Elon Musk once mocked China’s BYD. Now it’s running circles around Tesla

[fholbert]

BYD, a carmaker Musk once laughed at, overtook Tesla at the end of last year as the top seller of electric vehicles on the planet (Tesla overtook it in the first quarter of this year, but they’re neck and neck). And now it’s giving Toyota a run for its money, unveiling a new hybrid powertrain that BYD says is capable of taking you from New York to Miami without refueling.

Story here:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/tech/elon-musk-byd-china-nightcap/index.html

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

The numbers are based on the joke that is the Chinese test cycle.
It's sad how these things are lapped up.

 

[Ostrichsak]

The numbers are based on the joke that is the Chinese test cycle.
It's sad how these things are lapped up.

I bet BYD's auto wipers work well enough to not be a safety issue. Every other car manufacturer on earth has it figured out going back decades.

 

[Tam]

...a new hybrid powertrain...

It's a hybrid, but Tesla doesn't have a hybrid, so the comparison is not meaningful for those who want battery only.

Toyota believes hybrid is the future, but not for many of us who drive battery EVs.

 

[455dan]

BYD has had 10 show rooms burn, one about a month ago.
I will keep the MYP.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

I bet BYD's auto wipers work well enough to not be a safety issue. Every other car manufacturer on earth has it figured out going back decades.

It's mostly cloudy today where I live.

 

[Zoltrix77]

BYD has had 10 show rooms burn, one about a month ago.
I will keep the MYP.

BYD's everywhere in Australia, Atto 3's are basically as popular as Tesla's. No reports of a single fire.

 

[GSP]

The BYD electric car that Elon "laughed at" was introduced about 12 years ago. It was hardly completion for the Nissan Leaf, much less the Model S. BYD brought a hybrid car with a cutaway powertrain to the Detroit Auto Show ("North American International Auto Show) back in that era. I was amazed by how crude it was, in both its hybrid transmission architecture and the quality of the parts.

That was then. This is now. BYD has made remarkable progress. They deserve much respect. Elon has acknowledged this by his remarks, and by use of BYD's excellent "Blade" LFP battery pack in Berlin built Model Y RWD models.

GSP

 

[455dan]

The BYD electric car that Elon "laughed at" was introduced about 12 years ago. It was hardly completion for the Nissan Leaf, much less the Model S. BYD brought a hybrid car with a cutaway powertrain to the Detroit Auto Show ("North American International Auto Show) back in that era. I was amazed by how crude it was, in both its hybrid transmission architecture and the quality of the parts.

That was then. This is now. BYD has made remarkable progress. They deserve much respect. Elon has acknowledged this by his remarks, and by use of BYD's excellent "Blade" LFP battery pack in Berlin built Model Y RWD models.

GSP

I do find some of the Chinese EV's interesting.

The MG (SAIC) Marvel X and Marvel R have an interior that I would chose over the Y and they had many leading design ideas all the way back in 2018

I also very seriously Considered a Geely / Volvo XC 40 before buying the YP . The Closest Volvo dealer would have been an 800 + mile round trip for service which was just to far.

 

[jabloomf1230]

"Running circles around" seems like click bait hyperbole. If one searches news items for the term online, the results are interesting.

running circles around - Google Search

 

[hpiv]

BYD, a carmaker Musk once laughed at, overtook Tesla at the end of last year as the top seller of electric vehicles on the planet (Tesla overtook it in the first quarter of this year, but they’re neck and neck). And now it’s giving Toyota a run for its money, unveiling a new hybrid powertrain that BYD says is capable of taking you from New York to Miami without refueling.

Story here:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/tech/elon-musk-byd-china-nightcap/index.html

You have to keep in mind that BYD has lower cost vehicles, so they are selling a lot while not competing directly with Tesla. If Elon hadn't messed up and canceled the $25k vehicle a couple of years ago, BYD might well have been in trouble as Tesla launched a more affordable EV.

Hybrids are a dead end, so I don't really pay attention to those.

 

[Mark R]

Just returned from a trip to China. BYDs are all over the place. Can your Tesla do this?

 

[mborkow]

I’m not even sure who BYD’s CEO is; I suspect that’s probably a good thing.

 

[Cnixon]

Just returned from a trip to China. BYDs are all over the place. Can your Tesla do this?View attachment 1057091

How do you charge a car from a bowl of noodles? Ingenious.

 

[Tam]

Just returned from a trip to China. BYDs are all over the place. Can your Tesla do this?View attachment 1057091

Tesla Cybertruck has 120V and NEMA 14-50 outlets so it can certainly cook noodles with ease. Sorry for non-CyberTruck S, X, 3, Y who are deprived of this feature. Now, you are making me hungry for noodles!

 

[kpanda17]

BYD, a carmaker Musk once laughed at, overtook Tesla at the end of last year as the top seller of electric vehicles on the planet (Tesla overtook it in the first quarter of this year, but they’re neck and neck). And now it’s giving Toyota a run for its money, unveiling a new hybrid powertrain that BYD says is capable of taking you from New York to Miami without refueling.

Story here:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/tech/elon-musk-byd-china-nightcap/index.html

guess you don't understand Elon, its not about just EVs anylonger, its about automation and humanoids, automated EVs of which BYD and many others, will all struggle, drive 12.5.X, simply amazing
Optimus in the factories early next year, they conquer the labor cost issue
our current Teslas will go up in value, regular old EVs, which BYD makes, will drop in value lacking automation
BYD and others are chasing the old game, we now have a new game, keep up

 

[SloshNChips]

guess you don't understand Elon, its not about just EVs anylonger, its about automation and humanoids, automated EVs of which BYD and many others, will all struggle, drive 12.5.X, simply amazing
Optimus in the factories early next year, they conquer the labor cost issue
our current Teslas will go up in value, regular old EVs, which BYD makes, will drop in value lacking automation
BYD and others are chasing the old game, we now have a new game, keep up

Tesla still outperforms/on par with BYD in pure EV sales in China. And when the new Tesla models come out, including the Model Y refresh, they will want one. Nicely timed with FSD roll out as well.

OEM competitors are the ones struggling.

 

[Unclepaul]

BYD is the top performing brand of all the hundreds of Chinese EVs.
They are an extention of the Chinese government, and have tremendous support from them.
They way out produce for their domestic production and dump excess volume on other countries, attempting to drive legacy automakers out or business.
Elon feels the the best solution is to build their cars near to where their customers are. China produced cars mostly delivered to China Market, Europe production to Europe, and North American production to N. America.

They sell as many or more cars than Tesla, but those cars are lower priced and non profitable. Tesla makes higher priced and quality cars, and tends to set the pace and technology for others.

Evidently BYD is also following Tesla's lead by implementing Giga Castings into their production. Competition is good as long as the playing field is level.

 

[kpanda17]

BYD is the top performing brand of all the hundreds of Chinese EVs.
They are an extention of the Chinese government, and have tremendous support from them.
They way out produce for their domestic production and dump excess volume on other countries, attempting to drive legacy automakers out or business.
Elon feels the the best solution is to build their cars near to where their customers are. China produced cars mostly delivered to China Market, Europe production to Europe, and North American production to N. America.

They sell as many or more cars than Tesla, but those cars are lower priced and non profitable. Tesla makes higher priced and quality cars, and tends to set the pace and technology for others.

Evidently BYD is also following Tesla's lead by implementing Giga Castings into their production. Competition is good as long as the playing field is level.

Agree, China loves Tesla because their manuf watch, copy, learn and replicate all Tesla does
Unlike Ford and GM here in the USA

 

[T3SLAROD]

No one cares about Imitation BYD