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Elon Musk, please STFU

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I am TSLA long.

I know why I invested in TSLA. I am as much a believer as anyone in Tesla's mission, I believe Elon Musk is a genius like we haven't seen in a long time, a completely different breed of entrepreneur who is unbelievably impervious to risk, which makes him particularly well-suited to undertake Tesla's perilous mission of bringing the EV to the masses in the face of the powers that be.

What once used to pull a smile from me, has turned into an occasional roll of the eyes thinking how these geeks at Tesla sure don't take themselves too seriously. I now take issue with Elon's bravado. It has become old, immature and counterproductive plain and simple. It is disheartening to see poorly thought out tweets and actions that immediately reflect poorly on Tesla's reputation in such a decisive time and becomes instantly fast food for short trolls. It is a lack of consideration for us TSLA investors. Not the insiders. Not even Wall Street's self righteous trolls (not getting into the ''is this behavior worthy of a CEO'' argument- it's beside the point).

But we retail shareholders who hold TSLA shares with our hard-earned savings, hard-earned because after we work our asses to pay for our amazing Model S, X, 3 or even roadster, the little pocket money left we can spare, we choose to buy TSLA to make a statement, we choose TSLA because it is a vote of confidence in their mission. We often buy ideologically, sometimes even if we cannot afford it. And this behavior, Elon, is a disrespect to all of us.

Not only this situation is avoidable, it is EASILY avoidable with common sense and fair judgment. Everyone understands you are very sore, Elon, about the shorts and that is a shared sentiment be assured. However, now is time to rise above and show leadership. The insults and immature tweets are not helping in any conceivable way. They are not helping change the world for better. I actually wonder how a brilliant person like you Elon, fail to grasp the basic principle that you don't feed the trolls.

Elon, get down from your high horse, take a step back and reflect on those people supporting you. Show some respect. Work hard for Tesla, your employees, your customers and your investors. We believe and will continue to believe.

So STFU Elon, you're the damned dumbest smart kid I know.

 
Instead of trying to change him, maybe you just shouldn't buy "ideologically" if you can't afford it. Especially because it's not like Tesla gets that money. Better off buying a car or merchandise from the store to support the company. And unless you're also selling "ideologically", what does the short term price matter, anyway?
 
Nope and nope....The blatant market manipulation is bad enough but then having the watchdog come after the only honest one in this situation....that is a bridge to far. Musk is a fighter and I for one think he should fight with every tool at his disposal.

If you can't see the hypocrisy and underhanded nature of this whole mess then I feel sorry for you.
The SEC has been derelict in their duty for far to long...that is fine...but to charge EM...that is insane IMHO.

One does not have to look very far to see TRUE market manipulation and yet they go after EM??
 
Nope and nope....The blatant market manipulation is bad enough but then having the watchdog come after the only honest one in this situation....that is a bridge to far. Musk is a fighter and I for one think he should fight with every tool at his disposal.

If you can't see the hypocrisy and underhanded nature of this whole mess then I feel sorry for you.
The SEC has been derelict in their duty for far to long...that is fine...but to charge EM...that is insane IMHO.

One does not have to look very far to see TRUE market manipulation and yet they go after EM??
The SEC can derelict my balls.
 
I agree SEC cannot hold Elon and Tesla to high standards and not hold the shorts and other manipulators to those same standards. And I agree with this thread in general: Join push for SEC Investigation of TSLA manipulators and inside traders

That being said, I don't know that we should not as well expect Elon to lay low and show better judgement with his tweets and some of his recent public appearances. This afternoon's taunt of the SEC was inappropriate and generally boneheaded. It does nothing good in the context that he and SEC are being challenged by the courts over the settlement. Is he trying to derail the settlement? I even question his reasoning over the reason he gave for fighting the SEC's initial deal offer: that he wouldn't feel true to himself if he agreed. Whaaa? I mean surely he's pragmatic enough to at least try and live to fight another day...

Even if you're right about something, sometimes it's the way about how you're right that you're wrong in the end. Better keep quiet now.
 
I agree SEC cannot hold Elon and Tesla to high standards and not hold the shorts and other manipulators to those same standards. And I agree with this thread in general: Join push for SEC Investigation of TSLA manipulators and inside traders

That being said, I don't know that we should not as well expect Elon to lay low and show better judgement with his tweets and some of his recent public appearances. This afternoon's taunt of the SEC was inappropriate and generally boneheaded. It does nothing good in the context that he and SEC are being challenged by the courts over the settlement. Is he trying to derail the settlement? I even question his reasoning over the reason he gave for fighting the SEC's initial deal offer: that he wouldn't feel true to himself if he agreed. Whaaa? I mean surely he's pragmatic enough to at least try and live to fight another day...

Even if you're right about something, sometimes it's the way about how you're right that you're wrong in the end. Better keep quiet now.
Nope....EM has been MORE than accommodating to these rent seekers and their watchdogs.
Spend an hour on CNBC or Bloomberg...or read a few pages of SA...or twitter to get a flavor of what is heaped his way EVERY day.

It is NON stop...evil and putrid. I have to take a shower every time I watch one of the talking heads "explain" why Tesla is going to fail.
Maybe just maybe he should fight the good fight. Make a stand and attempt to stop what is clearly a bunch of greedy fools that could not come up with a good idea unless it was to enrich them-self.

"If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything"....sorry I used to be a country music fan.
 
Nope....EM has been MORE than accommodating to these rent seekers and their watchdogs.
Spend an hour on CNBC or Bloomberg...or read a few pages of SA...or twitter to get a flavor of what is heaped his way EVERY day.

It is NON stop...evil and putrid. I have to take a shower every time I watch one of the talking heads "explain" why Tesla is going to fail.
Maybe just maybe he should fight the good fight. Make a stand and attempt to stop what is clearly a bunch of greedy fools that could not come up with a good idea unless it was to enrich them-self.

"If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything"....sorry I used to be a country music fan.
I do read most of the FUD on SA, CNBC, The Street, etc., and most of it is just so huge BS and obvious nonsense that it can't even be called a tripping stone. If I can see though it, I can't get myself around to believe how an insider would not also ignore that BS.

Either these BS/FUDsters are preaching to the choir or they're so full of themselves they believe we're total fools deprived of even the most basic common sense.

But even all of that to me is no right justification for Elon to stoop sometimes even lower. Is it not already enough that the shorts are weighing pretty heavily on TSLA's valuation that Elon should also add to that with some antics of his own? And I'm not referring to the funding secured tweet here. That one is the least of my worries. I believe Elon when he said he honestly believed he had a verbal understanding with the Saudis. But this afternoon's taunt was the one too many for me. I think it's time we call Elon out before things get out of hand (if it hasn't already happened).
 
As long as the mission stays intact, and he continues growing Tesla at these historic rates. He can call anyone he wants a pedo. He’s his own man. Long since 2014, lost some bucks on some options I played after go private. Don’t care. I’m #teamElon he is our last best hope for humanity and this planet...
 
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OP nailed it. And if people really loved EM as much as they say, they'd start seeing him for what he CURRENTLY is: A man with mental heath issues (likely brought on by stress and sleep deprivation) who needs professional help. Otherwise the EM fandom is at risk of following him off the cliff. And then no one wins. (let the "Disagrees" start piling up, thank you.)
 
Instead of trying to change him, maybe you just shouldn't buy "ideologically" if you can't afford it. Especially because it's not like Tesla gets that money. Better off buying a car or merchandise from the store to support the company. And unless you're also selling "ideologically", what does the short term price matter, anyway?

There seems to be an assumption that tweets like this are only harming short term price.

That's wildly incorrect when the reality is that Elon is losing credibility.

No one would have cared if he simply attacked the shorts. But, going after the SEC during a critical period before things are finalized?

He needs to focus on rebuilding his credibility so that he can lead Tesla through the challenges that are ahead.

There are so many positive things going on in the Tesla world that he could have tweeted about. Most owners like myself are waiting for V9 like a kid before Christmas. It's an exciting time to be a Tesla owner especially after some of the darkness.

But, instead of embracing that almost sparking positivity in the air he decides to attack the SEC. Leaving most of us going WTF?
 
OP nailed it. And if people really loved EM as much as they say, they'd start seeing him for what he CURRENTLY is: A man with mental heath issues (likely brought on by stress and sleep deprivation) who needs professional help. Otherwise the EM fandom is at risk of following him off the cliff. And then no one wins. (let the "Disagrees" start piling up, thank you.)

I can't speak for anyone else, but to me he seems like that friend who just won't move on.

Where you're like "Come on, we gotta go" and he's like "Just one more sec" as he's verbally attacking someone or some group.

You grow more and more impatient because all these other people are watching, and the whole thing is getting really embarrassing.
 
This isn’t investment advice, but in my opinion the best thing to do is either 1) listen to a qualified professional investment advisor who has a fiduciary responsibility to you as a client or 2) listen to experts who have surveyed the academic research literature on investing, and who believe they can make scientific or semi-scientific conclusions about the best investing approach for most people.

People who fall into category (2) tend to recommend passive index investing using ETFs created by companies like Vanguard and iShares. Because even among full-time professionals, active investing (i.e. stock picking) provides a worse return in the large majority of cases than just investing in passive index funds.

Of course, people are free to gamble with their money on the stock market just as they would at a casino, or on a horse race, or boxing match, or whatever. But the cardinal rule of gambling is never to bet more than you can afford to lose. So, it worries me to hear you say that you “buy ideologically, sometimes even if [you] can’t afford it”. That’s a bit concerning, like someone saying they put more money down on the Kentucky Derby than they can afford.

What’s more, there are potential harms to stock picking beyond the financial. In years where the stock market goes down, the rate of heart attacks increases. So, worrying about stock prices may cause damage to your health. There is a cost to stress, in terms of happiness, health, productivity, and opportunity cost. If gambling on the stock market causes you stress, that’s another factor to consider besides the financial risk.

I also own Tesla shares, but not more than I can afford to lose if the company goes bankrupt and the stock goes permanently to $0. I recognize that investing in Tesla is highly risky. If someday (i.e. 5 to 20 years from now), Tesla stock is up several fold, I will probably de-risk by selling off an increasing portion of my shares over time and gradually rolling all the money I have in Tesla into passive index funds.

I try not to preoccupy myself with the short-term stock price because it’s largely random — literally random, in a scientific sense — and it isn’t a good use of my finite life minutes or emotional energy to watch a number go up and down quasi-randomly second to second from 9:30 to 8 every weekday. All that matters is whether the long arc of the company’s future bends toward discounted cash flows well in excess of what its current valuation would imply.
 
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I agree SEC cannot hold Elon and Tesla to high standards and not hold the shorts and other manipulators to those same standards. And I agree with this thread in general: Join push for SEC Investigation of TSLA manipulators and inside traders

That being said, I don't know that we should not as well expect Elon to lay low and show better judgement with his tweets and some of his recent public appearances. This afternoon's taunt of the SEC was inappropriate and generally boneheaded. It does nothing good in the context that he and SEC are being challenged by the courts over the settlement. Is he trying to derail the settlement? I even question his reasoning over the reason he gave for fighting the SEC's initial deal offer: that he wouldn't feel true to himself if he agreed. Whaaa? I mean surely he's pragmatic enough to at least try and live to fight another day...

Even if you're right about something, sometimes it's the way about how you're right that you're wrong in the end. Better keep quiet now.

He’s born with integrity and will die with integrity. I respect that.
 
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Did Elon get the SEC joke from Fact Checking? He posted earlier the same exact line. If he does read this, as a small retail investor of 225 shares and a holder for over a year and a half, I hope he reads this. Look I hate short sellers as much as the next guy, but he really is doing a disservice to all shareholders. We were just talking about how institutional investors were going to start crunching the numbers after a day or two after the Q3 deliveries report, and start recommending buy orders for TSLA on the run-up to the ER.. but here we go, back down again, because Elon can't shut up. I love the guy, hope to meet him one day, but really he needs to stop with the petty BS.

He isn't going to stop though, he will not change. He'll just threaten to leave the company, and IMO the board shouldn't put up with it. He needs to step away for a few weeks, maybe get his head checked out by a doctor, get on a normal sleeping schedule where ambien isn't needed. He won't do this ether because he says "you think you can turn it off, you can't." Yes to freaking can! Make 1 call to your secretary, say "I'm taking some time off, no calls, and calls that do come in - send them to X."

The hard part is done, if the Q3 ER shows profitability, it's only going to get better from here. Delegate stuff to others and just get your bearings again, take a shower, get a haircut, go to Disney Land.
 
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Dear Ironman

Please Don't STFU.

However ranting on twitter is so dumb-ass. If you are really convinced, you need to play this game smarter. Hire a group in Investor Relations or hire out of your own pocket to look into all these issues. Have them report back to you or publish their findings to pruvduh or send it to the SEC.


Further with Media printing lies everyday, and an entity getting the podium to correct the facts every quarter, It might also be best to keep media honest by refuting things that are said immediately. Looks like most of the media are like copy paste, herd mentality, so I think just keep just of the top 4-5 in check would do.

I am sure many in TMC and Tesla Family as a whole have many items and findings that could be shared

Keep up the good work. I hope some day you get the Noble Peace prize for saving the Environment.

~ Cheers!!

:)
 
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