He presented no evidence. Case dismissed. But the fact the people continue with the "no smoke without fire" nonsense is why there are laws that allow compensation for defamation.
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He presented no evidence. Case dismissed. But the fact the people continue with the "no smoke without fire" nonsense is why there are laws that allow compensation for defamation.
Stoneymonster
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There are two possibilities, either Elon doesn’t realize his own power or he does. Neither is good.
A little early to declare case dismissed. But I don’t think he should have inferred without presenting evidence right away. And even if there was evidence, even bringing this up was not a good idea on Elon’s part. Takes away from the original discussion.
Most of us react with anger when under pressure. This is hindsight looks like a boneheaded move.
I think we all have done boneheaded things.
I think we all have done boneheaded things.
Stoneymonster
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Most of us aren’t billionaires with 22 million followers on Twitter.
ohmman
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Look at what Musk actually produced as shown in the pool video.
Look at the cross section of the Thai tunnel.
Stanton could not use what Musk had thrown together. He may have been positive in email but he clearly had not seen the final product. Not only because of the bulk and mass, but because the boys were under twilight sedation and monitored at waypoints.
I think part of Musk's problem is just how bad his solution was compared to the elegant solutions the rescuers actually implemented.
Stoneymonster
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He did not in any way substantiate his accusation, but still you're giving it credence.
Rumor and innuendo is always a terrible basis on which to judge people.
It's a cult of personality. It's terrifying.
Well, now you are just assuming he didn’t see the final product videos.
The solution the rescuers did is elegant but probably would not have worked just a few hours later because the pumps failed and the caves refilled.
I agree it is a terrible basis. Again, I don’t condone his actions. I believe I made that extremely clear.
ohmman
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I think I do, but I felt the need to respond because I think it gives a little more context when you consider that maybe he knows he has some influence but not as much, or that he thinks certain circles are listening but not others, or whatever. There are a million reasons why he might be saying what he's saying, it's hard to attribute anything specifically. But I agree with your conclusion that what he's doing isn't great.
It's interesting to watch this thread today, including who rates each post with "Like" and "Disagree" -- there's an interesting twist on the usual tribalism here. And I think that some of us who have defended Elon in the past can sometimes feel like his actions reflect upon us. And by some of us, I definitely mean me. I'm happy to back down, though, and admit that he's not showing himself well. Twitter is toxic, and while he's clearly my intellectual superior, he's also showing that he's vulnerable to descending into pettiness there to defend his ego.
Even if he's right, and he knew something about this guy being a creep, why tweet it as a comeback? Why not privately present evidence to the Thai officials and move on? Is he hungry for Twitter hearts and confirmation? Did I mention that Twitter is toxic?
Stoneymonster
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Barklikeadog
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wtf is going on this year? I popped into this thread thinking 'Trump' again. Too many times this year he has gone off the handle against critics, media, shareholders, etc
often about things that don't matter. He responds to things that are even true with counterattacks. It's trump
Maybe, but it seems like the video was released on July 9th when the first boys were being taken out.
He tried to help...it was not needed....or possibly would not have worked.
In a fluid situation like this it is better to have option's.
To blame the man for trying is stupid.
For him to attack the diver is stupid.
We all act stupid at times.
In a fluid situation like this it is better to have option's.
To blame the man for trying is stupid.
For him to attack the diver is stupid.
We all act stupid at times.
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