Elon says AWD and Perf orders start at end of next week!

[Garlan Garner]

If dual motor orders don’t start today, tomorrow, or Sunday, it just means our calendar is wrong.

Or....that we don't have an accurate representation of Elons Calendar. lol

 

[Zaphod]

I can't see Tesla making the Model S less quick than it already is. Induction motors aren't as quick as Permanent Magnet.

Assume it would be combination induction and PM like we assume for the dual motor variants of the 3. Keep the quickness and gain efficiency.

 

[ModelNforNerd]

Yepper.....I'm one person who thinks that's a good possibility.

With the configuration you listed all Tesla would have to do is ADD to the sled that is already being produced.....They won't have to change it. That way the current sled can continue AS-IS.

Yes, the cutouts and wiring have been there since Day 1 on all Model 3's. As long as the IM fits in the rear slot without any modification, it will just continue to roll off the line.

 

[EfficientWatts]

So, potential theory here:

The S has had a number of small tweaks recently, to help differentiate it from the 3.... and since Elon is so worried about where the top-end 3 fits in the S lineup, he's either gotta nerf the 3, or bump up the S.

Something that always bothered me about this is how some people think that the lower priced model must absolutely be slower than the more expensive model. Yet in all luxury car there's a lot of overlap in how the "lower end" car may be faster than the "higher end" car depending on the trim level. I would agree that maybe the highest highest end model should be the fastest, but all other trims should not be held fast to this rule.

 

[BioSehnsucht]

3 days maybe, 6 days definitely?

 

[GatorGuy]

Well yea, dollar for dollar, the profit is the same, but if you're in a cash crunch, and the profit would be the same either way, you'd want to spend LESS to make the product, and the 3 will only become cheaper to produce as they ramp (hence the outlook for positive cash flow in Q2 and Q3).

Spending less money to get the product out the door means less need for a capital raise (as some on Wall Street are predicting).

So if they build in the same profit into a P3D as a P100D, you think there is going to be a huge demand when its $100k?

 

[SD_Engnr]

So if they build in the same profit into a P3D as a P100D, you think there is going to be a huge demand when its $100k?

I'm going with NOPE.

There will be demand, but huge demand? Not likely.

Have I been wrong before? Yep!

 

[ModelNforNerd]

So if they build in the same profit into a P3D as a P100D, you think there is going to be a huge demand when its $100k?

What are the specs......?





But no. I think $80K is the sweet spot here.

 

[favo]

Just heard from Elon that the 0-60 time for the P will be one tenth the number of pages in this thread, so post wisely!

 

[EricUSC]

It could be that only employees get to configure AWD and performance this week and they just aren't posting.

 

[robski]

It could be that only employees get to configure AWD and performance this week and they just aren't posting.

Either way, Elon is a master at keeping Tesla in the headlines. It sucks the spotlight off of other manufacturers.

 

[Nixx]

can't. stop. refreshing.

 

[Garlan Garner]

can't. stop. refreshing.

I have to use F5 now.....the batteries in my mouse are dead.

 

[McRat]

So if they build in the same profit into a P3D as a P100D, you think there is going to be a huge demand when its $100k?

It depends on what is being sold for $100k.

A large rim P100DL in blue is $141,700.
So if the Model S was a 50% premium, the Model P3D would be $93,700.

A Model 3LR/PUP is $50k with no other options. A Model S75D would be $80,700 with PUP and no other options. That's a 61% premium.
Both have similar performance, but the 3 has a large range advantage.

 

[Garlan Garner]

It depends on what is being sold for $100k.

A large rim P100DL in blue is $141,700.
So if the Model S was a 50% premium, the Model P3D would be $93,700.

A Model 3LR/PUP is $50k with no other options. A Model S75D would be $80,700 with PUP and no other options. That's a 61% premium.
Both have similar performance, but the 3 has a large range advantage.

AND the Model 3 has half the wiring than a Model S <---that's huge.
AND the Model 3 has a ton fewer parts to assemble
AND the Model 3 has a different motor
AND the Model 3 has different batteries
AND the Model 3 has fewer screens
AND the Model 3 has a different Drag Coefficient
AND it takes 69% less time to produce a Model 3 ( integrated charger / motor / inverter in battery )
AND the Model 3 uses less paint.
AND the Model 3 has fewer options
AND the Model 3 only has 1 chassis option
AND the Model 3 is only Left Hand Drive.
AND the Model 3 doesn't have self presenting doors
AND the Model 3 doesn't have badging
AND the Model 3 has no heapa filtration
AND the Model 3 only has coil suspension ( not air )
AND the Model S has Air conditioned seats.
AND the Model S has a sunroof option.
AND the Model S can charge with chademo and all kinds of charging opportunities.
AND the Model 3 is smaller
AND the Model 3 is lighter
AND the Model 3 is has 61% fewer vendors than the Model S.
AND the Model 3 has 86% fewer production assembly line stations.
AND the Model 3 battery production time is cut by 71%.
AND the Model 3......

The smallest list is what these 2 cars have in common. Lets see

4 wheels
1 Steering wheel
front and rear seats
.........

When is this Model S to Model 3 stuff going to stop? The Model 3 is a totally different car.

If the Model 3 and Model S were the same.....or if the Model 3 was just a smaller version.....then yes. However with all of these differences.....how are people able to so flippantly say.......Ohhh.....its a shame that the $60k Model 3 might beat the $80K Model S.

 

[juanmedina]

The model S 75D is 74k the P100D is 135k there is about a 80% delta between both of them.

The model 3 starts at 35k with that same delta it would out the model 3 performance vesion in the mid 60k.

 

[Garlan Garner]

The model S 75D is 74k the P100D is 135k there is about a 80% delta between both of them.

The model 3 starts at 35k with that same delta it would out the model 3 performance vesion in the mid 60k.

They are totally different cars though. Different Technologies.

 

[juanmedina]

They are totally different cars though. Different Technologies.

Yeap. More cost effective, less material required, cheaper motor, cheaper batteries, less belts and whistles and easier too assemble.

How much do you the performance model 3 is going to start at?

 

[Garlan Garner]

Yeap. More cost effective, less material required, cheaper motor, cheaper batteries, less belts and whistles and easier too assemble.

How much do you the performance model 3 is going to start at?

I don't know where the price of Performance model will start.....because I don't know the parts required and how much they cost, however I hope it doesn't exceed. $75k.

That to me should be the highest priced Model 3 - NO MATTER how that other totally different car called the Model S is priced. .

 

[khalbrogo]

I have to use F5 now.....the batteries in my mouse are dead.

Grab an extension called "Revolver" for google chrome. Lets you cycle through multiple tabs and refresh each one as you get to it. I have my design page, Elon's Twitter, Tesla's Twitter and this thread on 15 second refreshes