Elon says AWD and Perf orders start at end of next week!

[vigge50]

3.5

View attachment 302437 Booo... now I’m sad. I just wanted LR RWD with white interior.

Maybe already mention but Elon said that they right now have limited production for white seats and therefore only offer it for Performance but in 3-4 month they will offer it to other models too.

 

[mongo]

Agreed. And we've heard that the induction motors are more prone to heat limits under track use. Wonder if something changed in that design.

The rear PMSR doesn't have the over heating problem, so I'm thinking front induction motor only kicks on when

• Requested torque/ acceleration is greater than rear motor can produce
  
• Traction/ stability control requests front power due to rear slip or handling
  
• Rear motor is bumping against thermal limits
• Large regen

 

[mongo]

Yes but they also include the hardware in every vehicle. They take a loss for those that don’t purchase the software

More like less profit for now. Tesla can later add EAP when it is resold as a used car and recoup HW cost. It is also needed for the safety systems, so not optional.

 

[e-FTW]

The rear PMSR doesn't have the over heating problem, so I'm thinking front induction motor only kicks on when

• Requested torque/ acceleration is greater than rear motor can produce
  
• Traction/ stability control requests front power due to rear slip or handling
  
• Rear motor is bumping against thermal limits
• Large regen

Makes sense, but down the straights, at WOT (hmm, it is not a throttle, so WOA?) both motors will be maxed out. Maybe they figured out a way to cool the rotor?
But then again, to “beat” a car on track, one may not need to do more than a few laps. It is just a tweet...

 

[MXWing]

It’s laughable to think the one time you have to make a supercharger stop once a year is a compromise.

Every moment in a non Tesla is a compromise.

Again it’s clear who has Tesla experience and who thinks they know it all.

 

[NathanielHrnblwr]

This thread had gone way off topic.

 

[SmartElectric]

Name one other AWD car that is actually dual motor.

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is dual electric motor front and rear plus gas engine.

 

[mongo]

Makes sense, but down the straights, at WOT (hmm, it is not a throttle, so WOA?) both motors will be maxed out. Maybe they figured out a way to cool the rotor?
But then again, to “beat” a car on track, one may not need to do more than a few laps. It is just a tweet...

Right, but the induction motor can go 100% for a while as seen in the Autobahn videos. So with cornering and max speed sections (front during acceleration, off while maintaining; RWD can hold 140), it will get a chance to cool. The 3 also has (what looks like) a larger radiator/condenser so can pull more heat from the front motor. P may have even better cooling. So more colling with less heat generation. Roadster 2020 hitting 250 indicates 3 may be fine at sub 150.

Current S/X motor rotors are liquid cooled.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is dual electric motor front and rear plus gas engine.

I believe a Highlander AWD is 4 motors. 1 electric rear, 2 electric front, one ICE. Costs less too. Motors aren’t all that expensive.
RAV4 hybrid AWD is also 4 motors.

 

[kbM3]

Sure the Model S will have higher performance as it stands today. Show me a Model 3 version with a 2.3 0-60 time.

He also told Vignesh Raju it would. Vignesh asked if the Model 3 would have Ludicrous mode....Elon : Of course.

Which Elon will you believe? Choose ye this day.....

Elon Musk on Twitter

Elon Musk confirms Ludicrous Mode for the Tesla Model 3


Either way.....its a happy day!!!

Model S will have better acceleration. My guess is Model 3 performance will have overall better performance.

Front motor adds some regen ability that may offset the extra weight being carried around.

My instinct tells me front motor regen will only factor in during heavier deceleration.

A stock BMW M4 with a good driver will lap Laguna Seca in 1:39.69. The fastest time I can find for a Model S is 1:52.43. You have to admit it’s a bold claim to say the Model 3 will be faster than a BMW M3?

I do admit it is a bold claim. Elon is full of them. When they are not timelines, he is usually right.

 

[BlueStu]

I hope Canada gets the first option to configure AWD and P so Tesla stays under the 200k limit until July. Any reports of people actually configuring?

 

[mongo]

My instinct tells me front motor regen will only factor in during heavier deceleration.

Hummm, track mode...

 

[MP3Mike]

I hope Canada gets the first option to configure AWD and P so Tesla stays under the 200k limit until July. Any reports of people actually configuring?

What does it matter, Elon said that AWD/P won't start being delivered until July.

 

[engle]

Checking in from Ukiah... Bathed the Buddha myself also it was fun.

So..... any tweets from EM regarding will we be able to configure AWD or Perf sometime today?

Or is their web/middleware/DB cloud code still in Alpha?? LOL. Maybe the SQE/SQA were some of those “contractors” he fired??

IMHO discussion of what we can actually order and what it is and does is “on topic”. Do we know if there will be an “up charge” for white seats on an AWD when they become available?

Also, any word on other options like my favorite “biodefense mode” carbon etc. filters to cut the pollution inside the cabin that are available on the X?

Thanks!

Russ

PS Petaluma SC is down today hope its because they are adding more connectors. Had to divert to Napa happy I had that option or would have had to find a hotel and talk/pay them to use their DC. Napa now has 12 SC 8 on 4 were not. Could have easily driven Fremont-to-Napa w/o SC but forgot to charge to “Range Mode” before it was time to leave... Also forgot to turn on “Range” on the driving control panel AND I drove 80+ (Sometimes 100+ when 0 cars on 101) since road empty and was in a hurry. Now if you are California Highway Patrol I’m an author and this was a fantasy trip.

 

[kbM3]

Hummm, track mode...

Might be my misunderstanding. I thought the topic was everyday efficiency.

 

[mongo]

Might be my misunderstanding. I thought the topic was everyday efficiency.

You're on topic, I was thinking extra super heavy regen.
Traction/ stability control may use front regen regardless.

 

[favo]

Checking in from Ukiah... Bathed the Buddha myself also it was fun.

Why do I feel like this is TMI?

 

[engle]

Sorry favo I was up all night PDT until 4 am waiting to configure then slept ~3 hours so I’m not my normal eccentric self - hence the TMI!

I see now you may not be aware of the Pure Land Buddhism “bathing the Buddha” on the birthday of the Indian prince that founded the religion according to the origin texts from around 400 AD. It is a real religious ceremony. I wasn’t in a hot tub with anyone! LOL

Why do I feel like this is TMI?

 

[RobStark]

Yes but they also include the hardware in every vehicle. They take a loss for those that don’t purchase the software

Not really. It is delayed revenue. Time value of money and such.

Eventually, 2nd 3rd or 4th owner will buy it.

If nobody else a Taxi fleet at some point in the future will buy any Tesla with FSD hardware.

 

[favo]

Sorry favo I was up all night PDT until 4 am waiting to configure then slept ~3 hours so I’m not my normal eccentric self - hence the TMI!

I see now you may not be aware of the Pure Land Buddhism “bathing the Buddha” on the birthday of the Indian prince that founded the religion according to the origin texts from around 400 AD. It is a real religious ceremony. I wasn’t in a hot tub with anyone! LOL

Ha ha, I'm rather punchy myself. Just having a bit of fun at your expense.

To be slightly on topic, still can't configure P or D.